Re: Sarah Matthews m Cooley

From: Michael Cooley <michael_at_newsummer.com>
Date: Thu, 8 Dec 2011 10:41:22 -0800

And I noticed that the Sutro Library has a copy. I've emailed them.

-Michael

> Michael,
> I see that Mid-Continent Public Library has that volume and they ILL.
> sandy
>
>
>
>
> ________________________________
> From: Michael Cooley <michael_at_newsummer.com>
> To: John Cooley Mailing List <undisclosed.recipients_at_johncooley.net>
> Sent: Wed, December 7, 2011 3:57:01 PM
> Subject: Re: Sarah Matthews m Cooley
>
> Shoot. I received the wrong volume of "Maury County Cousins" today through
> interlibrary loan -- 1971 instead of 1967. The librarian said they
> probably did that because the earlier volume may be non-circulating.
> She'll find out. If true, she'll request a photocopy of the index so that
> I will know what pages to request.
>
> In any case, it will probably take a few weeks. If anyone has an idea for
> accessing the book, please try. I've emailed the Maury county TN Genweb
> coordinator and posted to a couple of lists at genforum. There have not
> yet been any responses.
>
> Maury County Cousins; Bible and Family Records, 1967, by the Maury County
> (TN) Historical Society. Apparently, it says that the mother of William
> Matthews Cooley was Sarah Matthews.
>
> -Michael
>
>> I've provisionally added Sarah Matthews to my database so that I can
>> keep
>> track of the information. It's here:
>>
>> http://ancestraldata.com/ahnentafel/257/
>>
>> I hope everyone had a great Thanksgiving. I'm sure I'm not alone by
>> saying
>> that I ate too much!
>>
>> -Michael
>>
>>> I was just doing some random searching and came across this interesting
>>> little site
>>>
>>> http://lucysfamilytree.com/james.cfm?aId=12582508-C29B-57E0-81553F57FF8DDE15
>>>
>>> A bit of Rowan/Surry/Stokes history, with a lot of abstracts as they
>>> relate to the James family,
>>> including several mentions of John and Edward Cooley.  So far I haven't
>>> found any Matthews, but
>>> there are Doaks and Hannahs and other names that might catch your eye.
>>> Or at least something
>>> to bookmark for later investigation.
>>>
>>> Jim
>>>
>>> On 11/23/2011 3:56 PM, Michael Cooley wrote:
>>>> As Helen says below, she got the information from a book called "Maury
>>>> County Cousins." ...
>>>>
>>>> Maury County cousins
>>>> Bible and family records.
>>>> Compiled by Maury County, Tennessee Historical Society.
>>>> Published 1967 in [Columbia?]
>>>>
>>>> I've just requested a copy through Interlibrary Loan.
>>>>
>>>> Obviously, somebody made a connection between our William Matthews
>>>> Cooley
>>>> and the Rowan/Surry county Matthews. But it may have been no more than
>>>> "Oh, here's someone with the middle name of Matthews. He must be one
>>>> of
>>>> ours!" That the book says only that his father was either Abraham or
>>>> Jno
>>>> S
>>>> Cooley indicates they were probably just looking at Jo White Linn's
>>>> Surry
>>>> county compilations and making a guess. But the question is how they
>>>> connected to WMC to Sarah. -Any- public record mentioning a Sarah
>>>> Cooley
>>>> in Surry county could be telling. (We do know that Abraham was married
>>>> to
>>>> Sarah Reeder.)
>>>>
>>>> Apparently, James Matthews Sr left a deed in Guilford county NC giving
>>>> away his Rowan county land. To whom, one wonders. That would be worth
>>>> checking out.
>>>>
>>>> There's also the point the Steve Matthews says he has autosomal DNA
>>>> matches to Cooleys. I hope to hear something more from him about that.
>>>>
>>>> I'll let everyone know what I find. If anyone has further suggestions,
>>>> I'd
>>>> be interested.
>>>>
>>>> -Michael
>>>>
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>>>>> Is there confirmation that Sarah Matthews Cooley is the mother of =
>>>>> William Matthews Cooley?  That is more than we had but how certain is
>>>>> =
>>>>> that?  The middle name of William is surely something to go on.
>>>>> Jane
>>>>>    ----- Original Message -----=20
>>>>>    From: Michael Cooley=20
>>>>>    To: John Cooley Mailing List=20
>>>>>    Sent: Wednesday, November 23, 2011 3:34 PM
>>>>>    Subject: Fwd: Re: Sarah Matthews m Cooley
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>    Inconclusive. :(
>>>>>
>>>>>    ---------------------------- Original Message =
>>>>> ----------------------------
>>>>>    Subject: Re: Sarah Matthews m Cooley
>>>>>    From:    "LadyH"<heyladyh_at_yahoo.com>
>>>>>    Date:    Wed, November 23, 2011 11:47 am
>>>>>    To:      "Michael Cooley"<michael_at_newsummer.com>
>>>>>    =
>>>>> -------------------------------------------------------------------------=
>>>>> -
>>>>>
>>>>>    Michael,
>>>>>    I believe that I picked up the name of Sarah Matthews COOLEY and
>>>>> her
>>>>> =
>>>>> son
>>>>>    William Matthews COOLEY in the book Maury County Cousins. Since my
>>>>>    search was centered on the male descendants of James MATTHEWS, Sr.
>>>>> and
>>>>>    John DOAK, I did not further pursue the surname COOLEY.
>>>>>
>>>>>    My info says this: p. 190
>>>>>    "The following names often associated with James (Sr) and Mary =
>>>>> MATTHEWS
>>>>>    possibly were their children, but verification has not yet been
>>>>> found:
>>>>>    Sarah Matthews, who married a COOLEY, and had a son William
>>>>> Matthews
>>>>>    COOLEY - - -
>>>>>    * Mussendine Matthews, Rev. War soldier, who died in Iredell
>>>>> County
>>>>> in
>>>>>    1830 - - -
>>>>>    and Robert Matthews, who died in Iredell County ca 1819 - - - -"
>>>>>
>>>>>    NB: Later evidence suggests that this * Mussendine Matthews was
>>>>> not
>>>>> a =
>>>>> son
>>>>>    of James Sr.
>>>>>
>>>>>    As you have discovered, many of the biographical books pertaining
>>>>> to
>>>>> =
>>>>> early
>>>>>    TN and NC families are far from accurate. When I was working in
>>>>> Salt
>>>>> =
>>>>> Lake
>>>>>    City FHC, I set out to read all the books pertaining to the
>>>>> Matthews
>>>>>    surname, especially in Maury Co., TN. I found contradictions
>>>>> galore.=20
>>>>>    Legal records were the best means of delineating the families.
>>>>>
>>>>>    I am sorry that I cannot verify the name of the Cooley man to whom
>>>>> =
>>>>> Sarah
>>>>>    Matthews was married.
>>>>>
>>>>>    Best regards,
>>>>>    Helen Odum Harrell
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>    Then I listed the several works in chronological order, and was
>>>>> amazed =
>>>>> to
>>>>>    learn that many of the authors either gave no documentation, or
>>>>> simply
>>>>>    cited another of the books, and some of the more recent compilers
>>>>> =
>>>>> cited
>>>>>    each other!=20
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>    ________________________________
>>>>>    From: Michael Cooley<michael_at_newsummer.com>
>>>>>    To: heyladyh_at_yahoo.com
>>>>>    Sent: Wednesday, November 23, 2011 6:34 AM
>>>>>    Subject: Sarah Matthews m Cooley
>>>>>
>>>>>    Hi Helen!
>>>>>
>>>>>    I received your email address from Steve Matthews.
>>>>>
>>>>>    A descendant of William Matthews Cooley has yDNA-matched to me and
>>>>> =
>>>>> nine
>>>>>    others. We are probably all descendants of John Cooley of Stokes =
>>>>> county
>>>>>    NC.
>>>>>
>>>>>    Steven tells me that you have a book that says WMC's mother was
>>>>> Sarah
>>>>>    Matthews. I'm very interested in knowing what the source of that
>>>>>    information is. A bad genealogy was written in the 1930s led us
>>>>> all
>>>>>    astray, but DNA in the last few years have proven that wrong.
>>>>>
>>>>>    My page for WMC is at
>>>>>    http://ancestraldata.com/ahnentafel/256/StewartCoTN.html
>>>>>
>>>>>    The website for John, his probable father, is at
>>>>>    http://ancestraldata.com/ahnentafel/256/ . Abraham's family is
>>>>> pretty =
>>>>> much
>>>>>    worked out. We've never been able to find anything that associates
>>>>> it =
>>>>> with
>>>>>    the John Cooley family.
>>>>>
>>>>>    If this pans out, you will have many hundreds of names to read
>>>>> into
>>>>> =
>>>>> your
>>>>>    GEDCOM!
>>>>>
>>>>>    I can't wait to hear from you!
>>>>>
>>>>>    Thanks!
>>>>>    -Michael
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>>>>> <DIV><STRONG><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Is there confirmation that =
>>>>> Sarah Matthews=20
>>>>> Cooley is the mother of William Matthews Cooley?&nbsp; That is more
>>>>> than =
>>>>> we had=20
>>>>> but how certain is that?&nbsp; The middle name of William is surely =
>>>>> something to=20
>>>>> go on.</FONT></STRONG></DIV>
>>>>> <DIV><STRONG><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Jane</FONT></STRONG></DIV>
>>>>> <BLOCKQUOTE=20
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>>>>>    <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message -----</DIV>
>>>>>    <DIV=20
>>>>>    style=3D"BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: =
>>>>> black"><B>From:</B>=20
>>>>>    <A title=3Dmichael_at_newsummer.com =
>>>>> href=3D"mailto:michael_at_newsummer.com">Michael=20
>>>>>    Cooley</A>  </DIV>
>>>>>    <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B>  <A=20
>>>>>    title=3Dundisclosed.recipients_at_johncooley.net=20
>>>>>    href=3D"mailto:undisclosed.recipients_at_johncooley.net">John Cooley
>>>>> =
>>>>> Mailing=20
>>>>>    List</A>  </DIV>
>>>>>    <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B>  Wednesday, November
>>>>> 23, =
>>>>> 2011 3:34=20
>>>>>    PM</DIV>
>>>>>    <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B>  Fwd: Re: Sarah =
>>>>> Matthews m=20
>>>>>    Cooley</DIV>
>>>>>    <DIV><BR></DIV>Inconclusive.
>>>>> :(<BR><BR>----------------------------
>>>>> =
>>>>> Original=20
>>>>>    Message ----------------------------<BR>Subject: Re: Sarah
>>>>> Matthews
>>>>> m=20
>>>>>    Cooley<BR>From:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; "LadyH"&lt;<A=20
>>>>>    =
>>>>> href=3D"mailto:heyladyh_at_yahoo.com">heyladyh_at_yahoo.com</A>&gt;<BR>Date:&nb=
>>>>> sp;&nbsp;&nbsp;=20
>>>>>    Wed, November 23, 2011 11:47
>>>>> am<BR>To:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;
>>>>> =
>>>>> "Michael=20
>>>>>    Cooley"&lt;<A=20
>>>>>    =
>>>>> href=3D"mailto:michael_at_newsummer.com">michael_at_newsummer.com</A>&gt;<BR>--=
>>>>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------<=
>>>>> BR><BR>Michael,<BR>I=20
>>>>>    believe that I picked up the name of Sarah Matthews COOLEY and
>>>>> her=20
>>>>>    son<BR>William Matthews COOLEY in the book Maury County Cousins.
>>>>> Since =
>>>>>
>>>>>    my<BR>search was centered on the male descendants of James
>>>>> MATTHEWS,
>>>>> =
>>>>> Sr.=20
>>>>>    and<BR>John DOAK, I did not further pursue the surname =
>>>>> COOLEY.<BR><BR>My info=20
>>>>>    says this: p. 190<BR>"The following names often associated with
>>>>> James =
>>>>> (Sr) and=20
>>>>>    Mary MATTHEWS<BR>possibly were their children, but verification
>>>>> has
>>>>> =
>>>>> not yet=20
>>>>>    been found:<BR>Sarah Matthews, who married a COOLEY, and had a son
>>>>> =
>>>>> William=20
>>>>>    Matthews<BR>COOLEY - - -<BR>* Mussendine Matthews, Rev. War
>>>>> soldier,
>>>>> =
>>>>> who died=20
>>>>>    in Iredell County in<BR>1830 - - -<BR>and Robert Matthews, who
>>>>> died
>>>>> in =
>>>>> Iredell=20
>>>>>    County ca 1819 - - - -"<BR><BR>NB: Later evidence suggests that
>>>>> this
>>>>> * =
>>>>>
>>>>>    Mussendine Matthews was not a son<BR>of James Sr.<BR><BR>As you
>>>>> have=20
>>>>>    discovered, many of the biographical books pertaining to
>>>>> early<BR>TN
>>>>> =
>>>>> and NC=20
>>>>>    families are far from accurate. When I was working in Salt =
>>>>> Lake<BR>City FHC, I=20
>>>>>    set out to read all the books pertaining to the
>>>>> Matthews<BR>surname,=20
>>>>>    especially in Maury Co., TN. I found contradictions
>>>>> galore.<BR>Legal
>>>>> =
>>>>> records=20
>>>>>    were the best means of delineating the families.<BR><BR>I am sorry
>>>>> =
>>>>> that I=20
>>>>>    cannot verify the name of the Cooley man to whom Sarah<BR>Matthews
>>>>> was =
>>>>>
>>>>>    married.<BR><BR>Best regards,<BR>Helen Odum =
>>>>> Harrell<BR><BR><BR><BR>Then I=20
>>>>>    listed the several works in chronological order, and was amazed =
>>>>> to<BR>learn=20
>>>>>    that many of the authors either gave no documentation, or =
>>>>> simply<BR>cited=20
>>>>>    another of the books, and some of the more recent compilers =
>>>>> cited<BR>each=20
>>>>>   
>>>>> other!<BR><BR><BR><BR><BR>________________________________<BR>From:
>>>>> =
>>>>> Michael=20
>>>>>    Cooley&lt;michael_at_newsummer.com&gt;<BR>To: =
>>>>> heyladyh_at_yahoo.com<BR>Sent:=20
>>>>>    Wednesday, November 23, 2011 6:34 AM<BR>Subject: Sarah Matthews
>>>>> m=20
>>>>>    Cooley<BR><BR>Hi Helen!<BR><BR>I received your email address from
>>>>> =
>>>>> Steve=20
>>>>>    Matthews.<BR><BR>A descendant of William Matthews Cooley has =
>>>>> yDNA-matched to=20
>>>>>    me and nine<BR>others. We are probably all descendants of John
>>>>> Cooley =
>>>>> of=20
>>>>>    Stokes county<BR>NC.<BR><BR>Steven tells me that you have a book
>>>>> that =
>>>>> says=20
>>>>>    WMC's mother was Sarah<BR>Matthews. I'm very interested in knowing
>>>>> =
>>>>> what the=20
>>>>>    source of that<BR>information is. A bad genealogy was written in
>>>>> the
>>>>> =
>>>>> 1930s led=20
>>>>>    us all<BR>astray, but DNA in the last few years have proven
>>>>> that=20
>>>>>    wrong.<BR><BR>My page for WMC is=20
>>>>>    =
>>>>> at<BR>http://ancestraldata.com/ahnentafel/256/StewartCoTN.html<BR><BR>The=
>>>>> =20
>>>>>    website for John, his probable father, is=20
>>>>>    at<BR>http://ancestraldata.com/ahnentafel/256/ . Abraham's family
>>>>> is
>>>>> =
>>>>> pretty=20
>>>>>    much<BR>worked out. We've never been able to find anything that =
>>>>> associates it=20
>>>>>    with<BR>the John Cooley family.<BR><BR>If this pans out, you will
>>>>> have =
>>>>> many=20
>>>>>    hundreds of names to read into your<BR>GEDCOM!<BR><BR>I can't wait
>>>>> to =
>>>>> hear=20
>>>>>    from you!<BR><BR>Thanks!<BR>-Michael</BLOCKQUOTE></BODY></HTML>
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