RE: Birth date for James Cooley that married Jane White

From: Michael Cooley <michael_at_newsummer.com>
Date: Tue, 27 Sep 2011 15:36:04 -0700

Don,

I'm glad I was able to help! I've also received a lot of help along the
way! :)

-Michael

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> Sandra
>
>
>
> Don't know about that time period but when I got married in Kansas in 1952
> my wife was 18 and I was 20 - I needed to get my parents permission - I
> was
> not considered an adult. They gave their permission and we were married
> for
> almost 25 years before we lost her to breast cancer.
>
>
>
> Let me thank Michael for helping me find my roots. Everything I know has
> come from him through the years. I am not a researcher but did develop
> some
> details from family stories and family bible. Michael says I am part of
> the
> John Cooley family as found on his web postings. It is by far the best
> record I have seen. I have shared this information with my immediate
> family
> so they know who they are. I had my DNA done at his request and am
> interested in seeing where the family came from before this country.
>
>
>
> I enjoy the discussions on this lost and thanks again to Michael for
> starting it and thanks to all of you who postings I read and for the time
> you have dedicated in research and sharing the information with us.
>
>
>
> Again THANKS!!!
>
>
>
> Donald D Cooley, birth 06/08/1931
>
>
>
> From: Sandra Stanton [mailto:sandystanton_at_prodigy.net]
> Sent: Tuesday, September 27, 2011 1:23 PM
> To: John Cooley Mailing List
> Subject: Re: Birth date for James Cooley that married Jane White
>
>
>
>
> females were of age at 18 and males at 21 doing this time period, I
> believe.
> Someone correct me if I am wrong.
>
>
>
> Just came home from hearing Hank Z Jones speak at our gen. meeting. He is
> always a very intertaining speaker. Since he lives here in San Diego
> county
> we have him about every year or so.
>
> --- On Tue, 9/27/11, Michael Cooley <michael_at_newsummer.com> wrote:
>
>
> From: Michael Cooley <michael_at_newsummer.com>
> Subject: Re: Birth date for James Cooley that married Jane White
> To: "John Cooley Mailing List" <undisclosed.recipients_at_johncooley.net>
> Date: Tuesday, September 27, 2011, 10:31 AM
>
> You're right, Sandy. They are listed as married and not listed among the
> minors:
>
> "Thomas White and his wife Jemima White said Jemima is the daughter and
> heir of said deceased, William Cunningham and his wife Docia which said
> Docia is the daughter and Heir of said Deceased and the following sons and
> heirs all minors..."
>
> I had always assumed that they were older but, of course, that they were
> married does not mean they were not minors. Excellent point. I have no
> dates for them. Finding them on census records would, of course, be key.
>
> -Michael
>
>> But you are leaving out the daughters in the list for possible birth
>> dates. I have to get ready for a genealogical meeting, so can't look up
>> what I believe the dates to be. Will get back to you all later.
>>
>> --- On Mon, 9/26/11, Amy Martin <amycmartin_at_cox.net
> <http://us.mc802.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=amycmartin_at_cox.net> > wrote:
>>
>>
>> From: Amy Martin <amycmartin_at_cox.net
> <http://us.mc802.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=amycmartin_at_cox.net> >
>> Subject: Re: Birth date for James Cooley that married Jane White
>> To: "John Cooley Mailing List" <undisclosed.recipients_at_johncooley.net
> <http://us.mc802.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=undisclosed.recipients_at_johncoo
> ley.net> >
>> Date: Monday, September 26, 2011, 8:37 PM
>>
>>
>> I'm a little late to the party, but is the Isaac Cooley (brother of =
>> Tink) the same Isaac that married Frances Alley?
>>
>> On Sep 26, 2011, at 11:16 PM, Michael Cooley wrote:
>>
>>> I'm not sure where the date of 1808 originated, but it make sense if =
>> we
>>> accept the order of children listed in James's letters of =
>> administration:
>>>=20
>>> Demarquis D Cooley (1802-1826) m Rebecca
>>> Isaac N Cooley (1805-c1838)
>>> James M Cooley (1808-)
>>> Timothy Goode "Tink" Cooley (1810-1893)
>>> John H Cooley (1812-1846)
>>> Cornelius Cooley (1814-1843 MO)
>>> Benjamin R Cooley (1816-1880+ MO)
>>> Mathias M Cooley (1818-1870)
>>> William W Cooley (1818- MO)
>>>=20
>>> I know that the year of Matthias's birth is pretty solid due to census
>>> records and his tombstone. I think Ben's also is consistent with =
>> census
>>> records. How about Tink's? I understand that's solid too. If the birth
>>> =
>> order
>>> is correct and James was born between Isaac and Tink, then 1808ish =
>> works.
>>>=20
>>> In respect to Joseph's children, his daughter, Elizabeth Cooley White,
>>> =
>> said
>>> this: "In my eleventh year, death visited our family and claimed my =
>> mother
>>> for its victim, leaving six children. I being the third child..."
>>>=20
>>> I have...
>>>=20
>>> Elizabeth Cooley (c1790-c1881) m William White
>>> Mary Cooley (1791-) m Jesse Mitchell
>>> John Cooley (1793-1844) m Elizabeth White
>>> James Cooley (1796-c1829) m Jane White?
>>> Hannah Cooley (1798-) m William Wilson
>>> Tempy Cooley (1800-)
>>>=20
>>> .... but that doesn't make her the third child!
>>>=20
>>> I'd have to review census records to see how consistently Elizabeth's =
>> age is
>>> given, but the 1790 census for Joseph gives him one son, presumably =
>> born
>>> 1790 or earler. (As far as I can tell, there is no census record for =
>> Joseph
>>> in 1800. Too bad. That would help!)
>>>=20
>>> Unfortunately, there are too many FGSes without sources listed. Jim =
>> Terry's
>>> FGS, which I first saw in the 1990s, says this for James, as son of =
>> Joseph:
>>> "1796 - Goose Creek, Green, Kentucky, USA" I asked him about it and he
>>> =
>> said
>>> it came from the IGI.
>>>=20
>>> So, is it reasonable to accept the order of births from James's =
>> records? If
>>> so, are there some good anchors in the form of reliable birth years =
>> from
>>> which to build out the other dates? I'd bet that most of the dates =
>> we're
>>> looking at were approximations based on the much of the same material =
>> we're
>>> looking at.
>>>=20
>>> In his 1930s letter to Tallant, Kiergan said he -thought- James was =
>> his
>>> grandfather's brother but, as Sandy pointed out, there are decided =
>> errors in
>>> those letters. Do we have other clues as to the identity of Joseph's =
>> first
>>> six children.
>>>=20
>>> It would be odd that Joseph didn't name one of is children but, as =
>> pointed
>>> out, that's not necessarily unusual. My Edward Cooley didn't name his =
>> son
>>> Reuben.
>>>=20
>>> James as a son of Joseph may be difficult to show with primary records
>>> =
>> but I
>>> suspect we can get a reasonable fix on the birth year for James's =
>> James.
>>>=20
>>> -Michael
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>>>> The birth date for James Cooley in the Cooley-White family histories =
>> I =3D
>>>> have seen gives 1802 as his date of birth not 1808. One history =
>> lists =3D
>>>> him as James Cooley, Jr. but did not see anything to confirm that =3D
>>>> either. This history gives both 1802 for birth in Goose Creek, =
>> Green =3D
>>>> County, Ky but also lists the possibility of his birth at 1808 in =
>> Casey =3D
>>>> County, Ky.
>>>>=20
>>>> The birth date given for Jane White is June 25, 1802 in Mercer Co., =
>> Ky. =3D
>>>> Would Jane have married someone six years younger than she, perhaps =
>> when =3D
>>>> she was 18 or 19?
>>>>=20
>>>> Another source to look at is Jan Martinet's Cooley history. On page =
>> 2 =3D
>>>> she gives details of Joseph T. Cooley's estate probated in Clay =
>> County, =3D
>>>> Missouri dated Sept. 12, 1826. It shows the following heirs to =
>> Joseph =3D
>>>> T. Cooley and I am quoting:
>>>> Keziah Cooley, his widow and their children: Polly Mitchell, John, =3D
>>>> Elizabeth Cooley, Hannah Wilson, Evaline, Christopher C. Cassander,
>>>> =3D=
>>
>>>> Harrison, Jackson, Franklin and Eli.
>>>>=20
>>>> She does not list a James Cooley at all and he would still have been
>>>> =
>> =3D
>>>> alive in 1826. I suppose it is possible if there was a James he =
>> could =3D
>>>> have received no inheritance. Can't rule that out.
>>>> This does not state if there was a will, just that it was probated on
>>>> =
>> =3D
>>>> this date.
>>>>=20
>>>> I would suspect this is why historians have concluded that James =
>> Cooley =3D
>>>> that married Jane White is James Cooley's son. There should be no =
>> doubt =3D
>>>> from this that John Cooley that married Elizabeth White was Joseph's =
>> =3D
>>>> son.
>>>> Jane Wisdom
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>>>> <DIV><STRONG><FONT face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2>The birth date for James
>>>> =
>> Cooley =3D
>>>> in the=3D20
>>>> Cooley-White family histories I have seen gives 1802 as his date of
>>>> =3D=
>>
>>>> birth not=3D20
>>>> 1808.&nbsp; One history lists him as James Cooley, Jr. but did not =
>> see =3D
>>>> anything=3D20
>>>> to confirm that either.&nbsp; This history gives both 1802 for birth =
>> in =3D
>>>> Goose=3D20
>>>> Creek,&nbsp; Green County, &nbsp;Ky but also lists the possibility of
>>>> =
>> =3D
>>>> his birth=3D20
>>>> at 1808 in Casey County, Ky.</FONT></STRONG></DIV>
>>>> <DIV><STRONG><FONT face=3D3DArial =
>> size=3D3D2></FONT></STRONG>&nbsp;</DIV>
>>>> <DIV><STRONG><FONT face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2>The birth date given for
>>>> =
>> Jane =3D
>>>> White is June=3D20
>>>> 25, 1802 in Mercer Co., Ky.&nbsp; Would Jane have married someone six
>>>> =
>> =3D
>>>> years=3D20
>>>> younger than she, perhaps when she was 18 or =
>> 19?</FONT></STRONG></DIV>
>>>> <DIV><STRONG><FONT face=3D3DArial =
>> size=3D3D2></FONT></STRONG>&nbsp;</DIV>
>>>> <DIV><STRONG><FONT face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2>Another source to look =
>> at is =3D
>>>> Jan Martinet's=3D20
>>>> Cooley history.&nbsp; On page 2 she gives details of Joseph T.=3D20
>>>> Cooley's&nbsp;estate probated&nbsp;in Clay County, Missouri dated =
>> Sept. =3D
>>>> 12,=3D20
>>>> 1826.&nbsp; It shows the following heirs to Joseph T. Cooley and I =
>> am=3D20
>>>> quoting:</FONT></STRONG></DIV>
>>>> <DIV><STRONG><FONT face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2>Keziah Cooley, his widow
>>>> =
>> and =3D
>>>> their=3D20
>>>> children: Polly Mitchell, John, Elizabeth Cooley, Hannah Wilson, =3D
>>>> Evaline,=3D20
>>>> Christopher C. Cassander, Harrison, Jackson, Franklin and=3D20
>>>> Eli.</FONT></STRONG></DIV>
>>>> <DIV><STRONG><FONT face=3D3DArial =
>> size=3D3D2></FONT></STRONG>&nbsp;</DIV>
>>>> <DIV><STRONG><FONT face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2>&nbsp; She does not list
>>>> =
>> a =3D
>>>> James=3D20
>>>> Cooley&nbsp;at all and he would still have been alive in 1826.&nbsp; =
>> I =3D
>>>> suppose=3D20
>>>> it is possible if there was a James he could have
>>>> received&nbsp;no=3D20=
>>
>>>> inheritance.&nbsp; Can't rule that out.</FONT></STRONG></DIV>
>>>> <DIV><STRONG><FONT face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2>This does not state if =
>> there =3D
>>>> was a will,=3D20
>>>> just that it was probated on this date.</FONT></STRONG></DIV>
>>>> <DIV><STRONG><FONT face=3D3DArial =
>> size=3D3D2></FONT></STRONG>&nbsp;</DIV>
>>>> <DIV><STRONG><FONT face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2>I would suspect this is =
>> why =3D
>>>> historians have=3D20
>>>> concluded that James Cooley that married Jane White&nbsp;is James =3D
>>>> Cooley's=3D20
>>>> son.&nbsp; There should be no doubt from this that John Cooley that
>>>> =3D=
>>
>>>> married=3D20
>>>> Elizabeth White was Joseph's son.</FONT></STRONG></DIV>
>>>> <DIV><STRONG><FONT face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2>Jane =3D
>>>> Wisdom</FONT></STRONG></DIV>
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> vlink=3Dpurple><div class=3DWordSection1><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
> style=3D'font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:blue'>Sandra<o:p></o:p></=
> span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
> style=3D'font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:blue'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></=
> span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
> style=3D'font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:blue'>Don&#8217;t know =
> about that time period but when I got married in Kansas in 1952 my wife =
> was 18 and I was 20 &#8211; I needed to get my parents permission =
> &#8211; I was not considered an adult.&nbsp; They gave their permission =
> and we were married for almost 25 years before we lost her to breast =
> cancer.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
> style=3D'font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:blue'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></=
> span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
> style=3D'font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:blue'>Let me thank =
> Michael for helping me find my roots.&nbsp; Everything I know has come =
> from him through the years.&nbsp; I am not a researcher but did develop =
> some details from family stories and family bible.&nbsp; Michael says I =
> am part of the John Cooley family as found on his web postings.&nbsp; It =
> is by far the best record I have seen.&nbsp; I have shared this =
> information with my immediate family so they know who they are.&nbsp; I =
> had my DNA done at his request and am interested in seeing where the =
> family came from before this country.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
> class=3DMsoNormal><span =
> style=3D'font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:blue'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></=
> span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
> style=3D'font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:blue'>I enjoy the =
> discussions on this lost and thanks again to Michael for starting it and =
> thanks to all of you who postings I read and for the time you have =
> dedicated in research and sharing the information with =
> us.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
> style=3D'font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:blue'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></=
> span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
> style=3D'font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:blue'>Again =
> THANKS!!!<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
> style=3D'font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:blue'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></=
> span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
> style=3D'font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:blue'>Donald D Cooley, =
> birth 06/08/1931<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
> style=3D'font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:blue'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></=
> span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><b><span =
> style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</span>=
> </b><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> =
> Sandra Stanton [mailto:sandystanton_at_prodigy.net] <br><b>Sent:</b> =
> Tuesday, September 27, 2011 1:23 PM<br><b>To:</b> John Cooley Mailing =
> List<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: Birth date for James Cooley that married =
> Jane White<o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
> class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><table class=3DMsoNormalTable =
> border=3D0 cellspacing=3D0 cellpadding=3D0><tr><td valign=3Dtop =
> style=3D'padding:0in 0in 0in 0in'><div><p class=3DMsoNormal>females were =
> of age at 18 and males at 21 doing this time period, I believe.&nbsp; =
> Someone correct me if I am wrong.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p =
> class=3DMsoNormal>&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p =
> class=3DMsoNormal>Just came home from hearing Hank Z Jones speak at our =
> gen. meeting.&nbsp; He is always a very intertaining speaker.&nbsp; =
> Since he lives here in San Diego county we have him about every year or =
> so.<br><br>--- On <b>Tue, 9/27/11, Michael Cooley <i>&lt;<a =
> href=3D"mailto:michael_at_newsummer.com">michael_at_newsummer.com</a>&gt;</i></=
> b> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p></div><blockquote =
> style=3D'border:none;border-left:solid #1010FF 1.5pt;padding:0in 0in 0in =
> 4.0pt;margin-left:3.75pt;margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><p =
> class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'margin-bottom:12.0pt'><br>From: Michael =
> Cooley &lt;<a =
> href=3D"mailto:michael_at_newsummer.com">michael_at_newsummer.com</a>&gt;<br>Su=
> bject: Re: Birth date for James Cooley that married Jane White<br>To: =
> &quot;John Cooley Mailing List&quot; &lt;<a =
> href=3D"mailto:undisclosed.recipients_at_johncooley.net">undisclosed.recipie=
> nts_at_johncooley.net</a>&gt;<br>Date: Tuesday, September 27, 2011, 10:31 =
> AM<o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=3DMsoNormal>You're right, Sandy. They are =
> listed as married and not listed among =
> the<br>minors:<br><br>&quot;Thomas White and his wife Jemima White said =
> Jemima is the daughter and<br>heir of said deceased, William Cunningham =
> and his wife Docia which said<br>Docia is the daughter and Heir of said =
> Deceased and the following sons and<br>heirs all =
> minors...&quot;<br><br>I had always assumed that they were older but, of =
> course, that they were<br>married does not mean they were not minors. =
> Excellent point. I have no<br>dates for them. Finding them on census =
> records would, of course, be key.<br><br>-Michael<br><br>&gt; But you =
> are leaving out the daughters in the list for possible birth<br>&gt; =
> dates.&nbsp; I have to get ready for a genealogical meeting, so can't =
> look up<br>&gt; what I believe the dates to be.&nbsp; Will get back to =
> you all later.<br>&gt;<br>&gt; --- On Mon, 9/26/11, Amy Martin &lt;<a =
> href=3D"http://us.mc802.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=3Damycmartin_at_cox.net=
> ">amycmartin_at_cox.net</a>&gt; wrote:<br>&gt;<br>&gt;<br>&gt; From: Amy =
> Martin &lt;<a =
> href=3D"http://us.mc802.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=3Damycmartin_at_cox.net=
> ">amycmartin_at_cox.net</a>&gt;<br>&gt; Subject: Re: Birth date for James =
> Cooley that married Jane White<br>&gt; To: &quot;John Cooley Mailing =
> List&quot; &lt;<a =
> href=3D"http://us.mc802.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=3Dundisclosed.recipi=
> ents_at_johncooley.net">undisclosed.recipients_at_johncooley.net</a>&gt;<br>&gt=
> ; Date: Monday, September 26, 2011, 8:37 PM<br>&gt;<br>&gt;<br>&gt; I'm =
> a little late to the party, but is the Isaac Cooley (brother of =
> =3D<br>&gt; Tink) the same Isaac that married Frances =
> Alley?<br>&gt;<br>&gt; On Sep 26, 2011, at 11:16 PM, Michael Cooley =
> wrote:<br>&gt;<br>&gt;&gt; I'm not sure where the date of 1808 =
> originated, but it make sense if =3D<br>&gt; we<br>&gt;&gt; accept the =
> order of children listed in James's letters of =3D<br>&gt; =
> administration:<br>&gt;&gt;=3D20<br>&gt;&gt; Demarquis D Cooley =
> (1802-1826) m Rebecca<br>&gt;&gt; Isaac N Cooley =
> (1805-c1838)<br>&gt;&gt; James M Cooley (1808-)<br>&gt;&gt; Timothy =
> Goode &quot;Tink&quot; Cooley (1810-1893)<br>&gt;&gt; John H Cooley =
> (1812-1846)<br>&gt;&gt; Cornelius Cooley (1814-1843 MO)<br>&gt;&gt; =
> Benjamin R Cooley (1816-1880+ MO)<br>&gt;&gt; Mathias M Cooley =
> (1818-1870)<br>&gt;&gt; William W Cooley (1818- =
> MO)<br>&gt;&gt;=3D20<br>&gt;&gt; I know that the year of Matthias's =
> birth is pretty solid due to census<br>&gt;&gt; records and his =
> tombstone. I think Ben's also is consistent with =3D<br>&gt; =
> census<br>&gt;&gt; records. How about Tink's? I understand that's solid =
> too. If the birth =3D<br>&gt; order<br>&gt;&gt; is correct and James was =
> born between Isaac and Tink, then 1808ish =3D<br>&gt; =
> works.<br>&gt;&gt;=3D20<br>&gt;&gt; In respect to Joseph's children, his =
> daughter, Elizabeth Cooley White, =3D<br>&gt; said<br>&gt;&gt; this: =
> &quot;In my eleventh year, death visited our family and claimed my =
> =3D<br>&gt; mother<br>&gt;&gt; for its victim, leaving six children. I =
> being the third child...&quot;<br>&gt;&gt;=3D20<br>&gt;&gt; I =
> have...<br>&gt;&gt;=3D20<br>&gt;&gt; Elizabeth Cooley (c1790-c1881) m =
> William White<br>&gt;&gt; Mary Cooley (1791-) m Jesse =
> Mitchell<br>&gt;&gt; John Cooley (1793-1844) m Elizabeth =
> White<br>&gt;&gt; James Cooley (1796-c1829) m Jane White?<br>&gt;&gt; =
> Hannah Cooley (1798-) m William Wilson<br>&gt;&gt; Tempy Cooley =
> (1800-)<br>&gt;&gt;=3D20<br>&gt;&gt; .... but that doesn't make her the =
> third child!<br>&gt;&gt;=3D20<br>&gt;&gt; I'd have to review census =
> records to see how consistently Elizabeth's =3D<br>&gt; age =
> is<br>&gt;&gt; given, but the 1790 census for Joseph gives him one son, =
> presumably =3D<br>&gt; born<br>&gt;&gt; 1790 or earler. (As far as I can =
> tell, there is no census record for =3D<br>&gt; Joseph<br>&gt;&gt; in =
> 1800. Too bad. That would help!)<br>&gt;&gt;=3D20<br>&gt;&gt; =
> Unfortunately, there are too many FGSes without sources listed. Jim =
> =3D<br>&gt; Terry's<br>&gt;&gt; FGS, which I first saw in the 1990s, =
> says this for James, as son of =3D<br>&gt; Joseph:<br>&gt;&gt; =
> &quot;1796 - Goose Creek, Green, Kentucky, USA&quot; I asked him about =
> it and he =3D<br>&gt; said<br>&gt;&gt; it came from the =
> IGI.<br>&gt;&gt;=3D20<br>&gt;&gt; So, is it reasonable to accept the =
> order of births from James's =3D<br>&gt; records? If<br>&gt;&gt; so, are =
> there some good anchors in the form of reliable birth years =3D<br>&gt; =
> from<br>&gt;&gt; which to build out the other dates? I'd bet that most =
> of the dates =3D<br>&gt; we're<br>&gt;&gt; looking at were =
> approximations based on the much of the same material =3D<br>&gt; =
> we're<br>&gt;&gt; looking at.<br>&gt;&gt;=3D20<br>&gt;&gt; In his 1930s =
> letter to Tallant, Kiergan said he -thought- James was =3D<br>&gt; =
> his<br>&gt;&gt; grandfather's brother but, as Sandy pointed out, there =
> are decided =3D<br>&gt; errors in<br>&gt;&gt; those letters. Do we have =
> other clues as to the identity of Joseph's =3D<br>&gt; first<br>&gt;&gt; =
> six children.<br>&gt;&gt;=3D20<br>&gt;&gt; It would be odd that Joseph =
> didn't name one of is children but, as =3D<br>&gt; pointed<br>&gt;&gt; =
> out, that's not necessarily unusual. My Edward Cooley didn't name his =
> =3D<br>&gt; son<br>&gt;&gt; Reuben.<br>&gt;&gt;=3D20<br>&gt;&gt; James =
> as a son of Joseph may be difficult to show with primary records =
> =3D<br>&gt; but I<br>&gt;&gt; suspect we can get a reasonable fix on the =
> birth year for James's =3D<br>&gt; James.<br>&gt;&gt;=3D20<br>&gt;&gt; =
> -Michael<br>&gt;&gt;=3D20<br>&gt;&gt;&gt; This is a multi-part message =
> in MIME format.<br>&gt;&gt;&gt;=3D20<br>&gt;&gt;&gt; =
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> quoted-printable<br>&gt;&gt;&gt;=3D20<br>&gt;&gt;&gt; The birth date for =
> James Cooley in the Cooley-White family histories =3D<br>&gt; I =
> =3D3D<br>&gt;&gt;&gt; have seen gives 1802 as his date of birth not =
> 1808.&nbsp; One history =3D<br>&gt; lists =3D3D<br>&gt;&gt;&gt; him as =
> James Cooley, Jr. but did not see anything to confirm that =
> =3D3D<br>&gt;&gt;&gt; either.&nbsp; This history gives both 1802 for =
> birth in Goose Creek,&nbsp; =3D<br>&gt; Green =3D3D<br>&gt;&gt;&gt; =
> County,&nbsp; Ky but also lists the possibility of his birth at 1808 in =
> =3D<br>&gt; Casey =3D3D<br>&gt;&gt;&gt; County, =
> Ky.<br>&gt;&gt;&gt;=3D20<br>&gt;&gt;&gt; The birth date given for Jane =
> White is June 25, 1802 in Mercer Co., =3D<br>&gt; Ky.&nbsp; =
> =3D3D<br>&gt;&gt;&gt; Would Jane have married someone six years younger =
> than she, perhaps =3D<br>&gt; when =3D3D<br>&gt;&gt;&gt; she was 18 or =
> 19?<br>&gt;&gt;&gt;=3D20<br>&gt;&gt;&gt; Another source to look at is =
> Jan Martinet's Cooley history.&nbsp; On page =3D<br>&gt; 2 =
> =3D3D<br>&gt;&gt;&gt; she gives details of Joseph T. Cooley's estate =
> probated in Clay =3D<br>&gt; County, =3D3D<br>&gt;&gt;&gt; Missouri =
> dated Sept. 12, 1826.&nbsp; It shows the following heirs to =3D<br>&gt; =
> Joseph =3D3D<br>&gt;&gt;&gt; T. Cooley and I am quoting:<br>&gt;&gt;&gt; =
> Keziah Cooley, his widow and their children: Polly Mitchell, John, =
> =3D3D<br>&gt;&gt;&gt; Elizabeth Cooley, Hannah Wilson, Evaline, =
> Christopher C. Cassander,<br>&gt;&gt;&gt; =
> =3D3D=3D<br>&gt;<br>&gt;&gt;&gt; Harrison, Jackson, Franklin and =
> Eli.<br>&gt;&gt;&gt;=3D20<br>&gt;&gt;&gt;&nbsp; She does not list a =
> James Cooley at all and he would still have been =3D<br>&gt; =
> =3D3D<br>&gt;&gt;&gt; alive in 1826.&nbsp; I suppose it is possible if =
> there was a James he =3D<br>&gt; could =3D3D<br>&gt;&gt;&gt; have =
> received no inheritance.&nbsp; Can't rule that out.<br>&gt;&gt;&gt; This =
> does not state if there was a will, just that it was probated on =
> =3D<br>&gt; =3D3D<br>&gt;&gt;&gt; this =
> date.<br>&gt;&gt;&gt;=3D20<br>&gt;&gt;&gt; I would suspect this is why =
> historians have concluded that James =3D<br>&gt; Cooley =
> =3D3D<br>&gt;&gt;&gt; that married Jane White is James Cooley's =
> son.&nbsp; There should be no =3D<br>&gt; doubt =3D3D<br>&gt;&gt;&gt; =
> from this that John Cooley that married Elizabeth White was Joseph's =
> =3D<br>&gt; =3D3D<br>&gt;&gt;&gt; son.<br>&gt;&gt;&gt; Jane =
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> the=3D3D20<br>&gt;&gt;&gt; Cooley-White family histories I have seen =
> gives 1802 as his date of<br>&gt;&gt;&gt; =
> =3D3D=3D<br>&gt;<br>&gt;&gt;&gt; birth not=3D3D20<br>&gt;&gt;&gt; =
> 1808.&amp;nbsp; One history lists him as James Cooley, Jr. but did not =
> =3D<br>&gt; see =3D3D<br>&gt;&gt;&gt; anything=3D3D20<br>&gt;&gt;&gt; to =
> confirm that either.&amp;nbsp; This history gives both 1802 for birth =
> =3D<br>&gt; in =3D3D<br>&gt;&gt;&gt; Goose=3D3D20<br>&gt;&gt;&gt; =
> Creek,&amp;nbsp; Green County, &amp;nbsp;Ky but also lists the =
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> size=3D3D3D2&gt;The birth date given for =3D<br>&gt; Jane =
> =3D3D<br>&gt;&gt;&gt; White is June=3D3D20<br>&gt;&gt;&gt; 25, 1802 in =
> Mercer Co., Ky.&amp;nbsp; Would Jane have married someone six =
> =3D<br>&gt; =3D3D<br>&gt;&gt;&gt; years=3D3D20<br>&gt;&gt;&gt; younger =
> than she, perhaps when she was 18 or =3D<br>&gt; =
> 19?&lt;/FONT&gt;&lt;/STRONG&gt;&lt;/DIV&gt;<br>&gt;&gt;&gt; =
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> size=3D3D3D2&gt;Another source to look =3D<br>&gt; at is =
> =3D3D<br>&gt;&gt;&gt; Jan Martinet's=3D3D20<br>&gt;&gt;&gt; Cooley =
> history.&amp;nbsp; On page 2 she gives details of Joseph =
> T.=3D3D20<br>&gt;&gt;&gt; Cooley's&amp;nbsp;estate probated&amp;nbsp;in =
> Clay County, Missouri dated =3D<br>&gt; Sept. =3D3D<br>&gt;&gt;&gt; =
> 12,=3D3D20<br>&gt;&gt;&gt; 1826.&amp;nbsp; It shows the following heirs =
> to Joseph T. Cooley and I =3D<br>&gt; am=3D3D20<br>&gt;&gt;&gt; =
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> =3D3D<br>&gt;&gt;&gt; their=3D3D20<br>&gt;&gt;&gt; children: Polly =
> Mitchell, John, Elizabeth Cooley, Hannah Wilson, =3D3D<br>&gt;&gt;&gt; =
> Evaline,=3D3D20<br>&gt;&gt;&gt; Christopher C. Cassander, Harrison, =
> Jackson, Franklin and=3D3D20<br>&gt;&gt;&gt; =
> Eli.&lt;/FONT&gt;&lt;/STRONG&gt;&lt;/DIV&gt;<br>&gt;&gt;&gt; =
> &lt;DIV&gt;&lt;STRONG&gt;&lt;FONT face=3D3D3DArial =3D<br>&gt; =
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> size=3D3D3D2&gt;&amp;nbsp; She does not list =3D<br>&gt; a =
> =3D3D<br>&gt;&gt;&gt; James=3D3D20<br>&gt;&gt;&gt; Cooley&amp;nbsp;at =
> all and he would still have been alive in 1826.&amp;nbsp; =3D<br>&gt; I =
> =3D3D<br>&gt;&gt;&gt; suppose=3D3D20<br>&gt;&gt;&gt; it is possible if =
> there was a James he could have<br>&gt;&gt;&gt; =
> received&amp;nbsp;no=3D3D20=3D<br>&gt;<br>&gt;&gt;&gt; =
> inheritance.&amp;nbsp; Can't rule that =
> out.&lt;/FONT&gt;&lt;/STRONG&gt;&lt;/DIV&gt;<br>&gt;&gt;&gt; =
> &lt;DIV&gt;&lt;STRONG&gt;&lt;FONT face=3D3D3DArial size=3D3D3D2&gt;This =
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> =3D3D<br>&gt;&gt;&gt; historians have=3D3D20<br>&gt;&gt;&gt; concluded =
> that James Cooley that married Jane White&amp;nbsp;is James =
> =3D3D<br>&gt;&gt;&gt; Cooley's=3D3D20<br>&gt;&gt;&gt; son.&amp;nbsp; =
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> =3D3D=3D<br>&gt;<br>&gt;&gt;&gt; married=3D3D20<br>&gt;&gt;&gt; =
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