Re: John Cooley m Jane White

From: Jane Wisdom <jdwisdom_at_cox.net>
Date: Sun, 25 Sep 2011 14:03:36 -0500

In the 1880 Macon County, Mo. census Alzada Cooley Roberts gave both her
father and mother as having been born in Kentucky.
Jane Wisdom
----- Original Message -----
From: "Michael Cooley" <michael_at_newsummer.com>
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Sent: Sunday, September 25, 2011 1:33 PM
Subject: Re: John Cooley m Jane White


> Mostly the age difference. The fact that knowledge about James came down
> through a Joseph descendant is also interesting. Of course, there were a
> lot of marriages between the Joseph Cooley family and the Whites, but that
> doesn't mean that it couldn't have happened in James's family.
>
> But this would be the clincher: we need to learn the date of the letters
> of administration for the elder James Cooley (d 1822). Son Benjamin Cooley
> (b 1816) was -not- listed as a minor which means the paperwork might have
> been done as late as 1837. James M is listed but the James who married
> Jane White would have long been dead!
>
> Besides, I have an idea what happened to James M Cooley, but -that- will
> be especially controversial and I'm not prepared to go public yet. :)
>
> Your thoughts? Do you have more info about the case that was brought
> before the court by Abiel Leonard? (His parers are in the Western
> Historical Manuscript Collection. Hmmm, I just read that the judge, Judge
> David Todd, was Mary Todd Lincoln's uncle! I'm trying to find out just
> when he moved to Columbia, MO in hopes that it will help date the papers.)
>
> -Michael
>
>> Michael, could you elaborate more on why you think James Cooley that
>> married
>> Jane White is the son of Joseph and not James? I already knew that my
>> husband, Don and I were both descended from the Cooley family but if
>> this
>> is true than we also are descended from the same son of John Cooley as I
>> descend from Joseph through his son, John Cooley, and his son, William
>> Cooley. My husband descends through James and Jane White's daughter,
>> Alzada that married the Roberts.To my knowledge neither of the White
>> family
>> or the Cooley histories I have read have Jane White as the daughter in
>> law
>> of
>> Joseph Cooley. I do see descretion in birth dates for this James.
>> Jane Wisdom
>>
>>
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Michael Cooley" <michael_at_newsummer.com>
>> To: "John Cooley Mailing List" <undisclosed.recipients_at_johncooley.net>
>> Sent: Saturday, September 24, 2011 9:33 PM
>> Subject: John Cooley m Jane White
>>
>>
>>>I believe that the John Cooley who married Jane White was misidentified,
>>> possibly by Pat Walker, as the son of James Cooley (1772-1821). For
>>> several reasons, I think he was the son of Joseph Cooley (1767-1826) and
>>> his first (unidentified) wife.
>>>
>>> James and Jane had two daughters:
>>>
>>> Macon county MO marriages:
>>> A/46, 1/2/1844, Roberts Raphel, Cooley Nancy, AL Gilstrap JP
>>> A/79, 8/27/1846, Roberts Brimel, Cooley Alzada, John Leathers Preacher
>>>
>>> Sandra Stanton emailed this to me in Aug 2010:
>>>
>>> --quote--
>>> Ltr. dated 22 Nov 1936 from Sarah Ellen Roberts to WW Smith stated the
>>> following. "I do not have any record of the marriage or death of James
>>> Cooley. I do not know when Thos. Tuttle and grandmother were married.
>>> Uncle Washington [Tuttle] was the only child that I know of and he died
>>> in
>>> 1863. The names of the boys who died young were Demarcus and Henry
>>> Cooley"
>>> --endquote--
>>>
>>> We, then, have this:
>>>
>>> Jane White m1 James Cooley
>>> ..Nancy Cooley m Roberts
>>> ..Alzada Cooley m Roberts
>>> ..Demarcus Cooley, died young
>>> ..Henry Cooley, died young
>>> Jane (White) Cooley m2 Thomas Tuttle
>>> ..Washington Tuttle (-1863)
>>>
>>> James died by 1929 having at least four children. As far as I know, the
>>> marriage date for James and Jane is unknown, but the fact of four kids
>>> by
>>> 1829 would suggest a marriage by 1821. James son of James would have
>>> been
>>> only 13. However, James son of Joseph would have been about 24. This is
>>> far more reasonable.
>>>
>>> Arthur Kiergan, born in the 1840s, was a great-grandson of Joseph
>>> Cooley.
>>> Arthur knew the family very well and remembered his dad talking about
>>> James Cooley and had always assumed he was a son of Joseph's. (James had
>>> died a dozen or so years before Arthur's death.) He says this:
>>>
>>> Letter, 30 May 1932, from Arthur M Kiergan to Mildred Cooley Tallant.
>>>
>>> http://www.eskimo.com/~day/cooley/docs/Kiergan%20Arthur%20M%20-%201932-05-30.pdf
>>>
>>> --quote--
>>> "The bondsmen for James Cooley, [can't read] were evidently my
>>> grandfather
>>> John Cooley and Thomas (Uncle "Tant") as my father called him was
>>> evidently
>>> the brother of my grandmother White Cooley. But Jane [can't read] I
>>> cannot
>>> place but likely was sis. to my grandfather. It would be most natural to
>>> associate the close kin in such a capacity. It strikes me that this
>>> James
>>> Cooley, of August 25, 1829, John Cooley and Jane Cooley were brothers
>>> and
>>> sister and that Thos ("Tant") White was a brother to my grandmother.
>>> This
>>> latter I know to be correct, for my father spoke of him often in my
>>> childhood as my mother's uncle."
>>> --endquote--
>>>
>>> In other words,
>>>
>>> Joseph Cooley
>>> ..John Cooley m Elizabeth White (sister of "Uncle Tant")
>>> ....Dorothy Cooley m Benjamin Kiergan
>>> ......Arthur Kiergan
>>> ..James Cooley m Jane White
>>>
>>> To be fair, Arthur wasn't sure of the relationship but Walker's
>>> assertions
>>> just does not work.
>>>
>>> There's more info in my notes:
>>>
>>> http://ancestraldata.com/Notes/index.cgi?1167835948+/ahnentafel/256/lineages/johncooley-desc.html
>>>
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