Re: Perrin C Cooley thoughts from Michael Cooley on 2014-04-10 (John Cooley Mailing List)

From: Michael Cooley <michael_at_newsummer.com>
Date: Thu, 10 Apr 2014 15:38:34 -0700

So, I guess it's another Tanner they have a 4th cousin match to?

-Michael

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> by Joel, and 23andme is not showing any match for us.  </div><div
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> normal;">Gloria</div><div> </div> <div style="font-family:
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> font-size: 12pt;"> <div dir="ltr"> <hr size="1"> face="Arial"> From: Michael
> Cooley <michael_at_newsummer.com> bold;">To: John Cooley Mailing List
> <undisclosed.recipients_at_johncooley.net> <span
> style="font-weight: bold;">Sent: Thursday, April 10, 2014 5:00
> PM Subject: Re: Perrin
> C Cooley thoughts </div>
> <div class="y_msg_container"> Gloria, Look to see that he
> matches on the same segments as did Jack. -Michael >
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> &nbsp;</div><div style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0);
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> font-style: normal;">I > didn't
> see Joel as a match, but did find 2 Joel Cooley's listed.
> &nbsp;I > invited both to share genomes with
> me.</div><div style="color: > rgb(0, 0, 0);
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> font-style: normal;">Hopefully, we > can go from
> there.</div><div style="color: rgb(0, 0,
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> Tanner</div><div> </div> 
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> <span
> style="font-weight:bold;">From: Michael >
> Cooley &lt;<a
> ymailto="mailto:michael_at_newsummer.com"
> href="mailto:michael_at_newsummer.com">michael_at_newsummer.com</a>&gt; 
> >
> bold;">To: John Cooley Mailing List >
> &lt;<a ymailto="mailto:undisclosed.recipients_at_johncooley.net"
> href="mailto:undisclosed.recipients_at_johncooley.net">undisclosed.recipients_at_johncooley.net</a>&gt;
> <span > style="font-weight:
> bold;">Sent: Thursday, April 10, 2014
> 4:10 > PM bold;">Subject: Re: Perrin > C Cooley
> thoughts </div> <div
> class="y_msg_container"> Hi >
> Julie, Reminds us how you descend from Perrin >
> C. -Michael &gt; How
> exciting!=20 &gt; It would be do > nice to finally
> know how we fit!&nbsp; If a test from me ( or &gt;
> mom > o= &gt; r uncle Mike) would help I'd be glad to
> do so.&nbsp; I think > the female link is &gt;
> w= &gt; hat hinders us >
> though. &gt; &gt; &gt; Sent
> from >  my iPhone &gt; &gt; On Apr
> 9, 2014, at 4:26 PM, "Michael Cooley" > &lt;<a
> ymailto="mailto:<a ymailto="mailto:michael_at_newsummer.com"
> href="mailto:michael_at_newsummer.com">michael_at_newsummer.com</a>" >
> href="mailto:<a ymailto="mailto:michael_at_newsummer.com"
> href="mailto:michael_at_newsummer.com">michael_at_newsummer.com</a>"><a
> ymailto="mailto:michael_at_newsummer.com"
> href="mailto:michael_at_newsummer.com">michael_at_newsummer.com</a></a>&gt; &gt; >
> wrote: &gt; &gt;&gt; Yes! Please do. Send
> them to <a > ymailto="mailto:<a
> ymailto="mailto:michael_at_newsummer.com"
> href="mailto:michael_at_newsummer.com">michael_at_newsummer.com</a>" >
> href="mailto:<a ymailto="mailto:michael_at_newsummer.com"
> href="mailto:michael_at_newsummer.com">michael_at_newsummer.com</a>"><a
> ymailto="mailto:michael_at_newsummer.com"
> href="mailto:michael_at_newsummer.com">michael_at_newsummer.com</a></a>,
> rather > than to the &gt;&gt;
> lis= &gt;
> t. &gt;&gt;=20 &gt;&gt; I > still
> don't have Jack's results, but I can run Joel's
> against &gt;&gt; >
> Gloria's. &gt;&gt; Of course, there's always the chance
> that the match > will not show up. &gt;&gt;
> I'm &gt;&gt; looking forward to it, >
> though. &gt;&gt;=20 &gt;&gt; >
> -Michael &gt;&gt;=20 &gt;&gt;&gt; >
> Michael, &gt;&gt;&gt;=20 &gt;&gt;&gt;
> Joel and I did finally test > at 23andME and we received the
> results in &gt;&gt;&gt; >
> March.=3D &gt;&gt;&gt;&nbsp; As you recall, Joel
> is&nbsp; Jack's > paternal uncle.&nbsp; Would his
> results >  help &gt;&gt;&gt;
> you=3D &gt;&gt;&gt; regarding the mysterious >
> Perrin C. and the DNA connection between
> Jack &gt;&gt;&gt; and >
> G=3D &gt;&gt;&gt;
> loria? &gt;&gt;&gt;=20 &gt;&gt;&gt;
> We know > you are busy these next weeks but let us know if we
> can > send &gt;&gt;&gt;
> you &gt;&gt;&gt;
> Joe=3D &gt;&gt;&gt; l's >
> results. &gt;&gt;&gt;=20 &gt;&gt;&gt;
> Thanks for your continued > interest and musings on
> Greatgrandfather &gt;&gt;&gt; >
> Perrin= &gt; &gt;&gt;&gt; >
> C.=3D &gt;&gt;&gt;=20 &gt;&gt;&gt;=20 &gt;&gt;&gt;
> Nancy and > Joel
> Cooley &gt;&gt;&gt;=20 &gt;&gt;&gt;
> Sent from my >
> iPad &gt;&gt;&gt;=20 &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;
> On Apr 9, 2014, at 5:04 PM, > "Michael Cooley" &lt;<a
> ymailto="mailto:<a ymailto="mailto:michael_at_newsummer.com"
> href="mailto:michael_at_newsummer.com">michael_at_newsummer.com</a>" >
> href="mailto:<a ymailto="mailto:michael_at_newsummer.com"
> href="mailto:michael_at_newsummer.com">michael_at_newsummer.com</a>"><a
> ymailto="mailto:michael_at_newsummer.com"
> href="mailto:michael_at_newsummer.com">michael_at_newsummer.com</a></a>&gt; &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; >
> wrote=3D &gt;&gt;&gt;
> : &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;
> =3D20 &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; > It occurred to me
> that there's another place that >  Perrin C
> Cooley &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;
> might &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; fit -- and > it
> might best explain the auDNA match between
> his &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; >
> descendant,= &gt; &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;
> Jack, and Gloria Tanner: Could > Perrin have been a child of
> John's &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; >
> (later= &gt; &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;
> married Martha Bearden)? John's > children were listed on his
> brother's &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; (James) >
> probate, but the only Perrin listed was John's brother -- >
> who &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;
> we= &gt; &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; have
> long > believed to be Perrin
> Jr. &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;
> =3D20 &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; > But might Perrin
> C have been disinherited for one reason or >
> another? &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; >
> Might=3D &gt;&gt;&gt;=20 &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;
> he have been > illegitimate? (We already suspect that John
> had > issues &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;
> over= &gt; &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;
> "controlling > himself.") All we know for sure about John's age
> is > that &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; > 
> he= &gt; &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; was born
> before 1810. But he could
> well > have been born just
> after &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;
> 1800, &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; > making it
> biologically possible. Perhaps he denied being the >
> father. &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;
> Or,= &gt; &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; perhaps,
> no > one knew where Perrin was in 1858 and he wasn't >
> listed &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;
> simply &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; for that >
> reason. &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;
> =3D20 &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; Consider, too,
> that > we find Perrin C living with John's son
> Edward. &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; >
> That= &gt; &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; they
> might have been brothers or > half-brothers would make
> sense. &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; >
> =3D20 &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; And then there's the DNA.
> The prediction is > that Jack and Gloria
> are &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; >
> 3-5th=3D &gt;&gt;&gt;=20 &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;
> cousins. If this theory > is correct, they would be 4th cousins,
> which &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; >
> fits &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; just
> right. &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; > 
> =3D20 &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; Gloria's mother is going
> to take the test. This > will first
> confirm &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;
> that &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; the match > *is* on
> her side. If Jack's father were to test and the >
> two &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; (Jacks's father and
> Gloria's mother) tested as > 3rd cousins, then
> we'd &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; >
> be= &gt; &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;
> spot-on. &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; >
> =3D20 &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; Just some thoughts. We'll
> see where the testing > takes
> us. &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;
> =3D20 &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; >
> -Michael &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;
> =3D20 &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; >
> -- &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; &lt;a
> href=3D3D"<a > href="<a href="http://newsummer.com/distlist"
> target="_blank">http://newsummer.com/distlist</a>" >
> target="_blank"><a href="http://newsummer.com/distlist"
> target="_blank">http://newsummer.com/distlist</a></a>"&gt;distlist >
> 0.9b&lt;/a&gt; &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; See
> <a > href="<a href="http://johncooley.net/list"
> target="_blank">http://johncooley.net/list</a>" >
> target="_blank"><a href="http://johncooley.net/list"
> target="_blank">http://johncooley.net/list </a></a>for list >
> information. &gt;&gt;&gt;=20 &gt;&gt;&gt;
> -- &gt;&gt;&gt; &lt;a > href=3D"<a
> href="<a href="http://newsummer.com/distlist"
> target="_blank">http://newsummer.com/distlist</a>" > 
> target="_blank"><a href="http://newsummer.com/distlist"
> target="_blank">http://newsummer.com/distlist</a></a>"&gt;distlist >
> 0.9b&lt;/a&gt; &gt;&gt;&gt; See <a
> href="<a href="http://johncooley.net/list"
> target="_blank">http://johncooley.net/list</a>" >
> target="_blank"><a href="http://johncooley.net/list"
> target="_blank">http://johncooley.net/list </a></a>for list >
> information. &gt;&gt;=20 &gt;&gt;=20 &gt;&gt;
> --=20 &gt;&gt; > Second VP, the Cooley Family
> Association of America &gt;&gt; > Administrator,
> the Akins DNA Project &gt;&gt; Administrator,
> the > Ashenhurst DNA Project &gt;&gt;
> Administrator, the Bishop DNA > Project &gt;&gt;
> Administrator, the Eldridge DNA Project &gt;&gt; >
> Administrator, the alt-McDowell DNA Project &gt;&gt;
> Co-Administrator, > the Cooley DNA
> Project &gt;&gt; Co-Administrator, the McDougall
> DNA > Project &gt;&gt; Instructor, the Osher
> Lifelong Learning Institute > (OLLI) &gt;&gt; B.A.
> Humboldt State University, >
> History &gt;&gt;=20 &gt;&gt;
> -- &gt;&gt; &lt;a
> href=3D"<a > href="<a href="http://newsummer.com/distlist"
> target="_blank">http://newsummer.com/distlist</a>" >
> target="_blank"><a href="http://newsummer.com/distlist"
> target="_blank">http://newsummer.com/distlist</a></a>"&gt;distlist > 
> 0.9b&lt;/a&gt; &gt;&gt; See <a href="<a
> href="http://johncooley.net/list"
> target="_blank">http://johncooley.net/list</a>" >
> target="_blank"><a href="http://johncooley.net/list"
> target="_blank">http://johncooley.net/list </a></a>for list >
> information. &gt; &gt; -- &gt;
> &lt;a href="<a > href="<a
> href="http://newsummer.com/distlist"
> target="_blank">http://newsummer.com/distlist</a>" >
> target="_blank"><a href="http://newsummer.com/distlist"
> target="_blank">http://newsummer.com/distlist</a></a>"&gt;distlist >
> 0.9b&lt;/a&gt; &gt; See <a
> href="<a href="http://johncooley.net/list"
> target="_blank">http://johncooley.net/list</a>" >
> target="_blank"><a href="http://johncooley.net/list"
> target="_blank">http://johncooley.net/list </a></a>for list >
> information. &gt; --
> Second VP, the Cooley Family > Association of
> America Administrator, the Akins DNA >
> Project Administrator, the Ashenhurst DNA
> Project Administrator, > the Bishop DNA
> Project Administrator, the Eldridge DNA >
> Project Administrator, the alt-McDowell DNA >
> Project Co-Administrator, the Cooley DNA
> Project Co-Administrator, > the McDougall DNA
> Project Instructor, the Osher Lifelong Learning >
> Institute (OLLI) B.A. Humboldt State University, >
> History -- &lt;a href="<a href="<a
> href="http://newsummer.com/distlist"
> target="_blank">http://newsummer.com/distlist</a>" > 
> target="_blank"><a href="http://newsummer.com/distlist"
> target="_blank">http://newsummer.com/distlist</a></a>"&gt;distlist >
> 0.9b&lt;/a&gt; See <a href="<a
> href="http://johncooley.net/list"
> target="_blank">http://johncooley.net/list</a>" >
> target="_blank"><a href="http://johncooley.net/list"
> target="_blank">http://johncooley.net/list </a></a>for list >
> information. </div> </div>
> </div>  </div></body></html> --
> Second VP, the Cooley Family Association of America Administrator,
> the Akins DNA Project Administrator, the Ashenhurst DNA
> Project Administrator, the Bishop DNA Project Administrator, the
> Eldridge DNA Project Administrator, the alt-McDowell DNA
> Project Co-Administrator, the Cooley DNA
> Project Co-Administrator, the McDougall DNA Project Instructor, the
> Osher Lifelong Learning Institute (OLLI) B.A. Humboldt State
> University, History -- <a href="<a
> href="http://newsummer.com/distlist"
> target="_blank">http://newsummer.com/distlist</a>">distlist
> 0.9b</a> See <a href="http://johncooley.net/list"
> target="_blank">http://johncooley.net/list </a>for list
> information. </div> </div> </div> </div></body></html>

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Administrator, the Akins DNA Project
Administrator, the Ashenhurst DNA Project
Administrator, the Bishop DNA Project
Administrator, the Eldridge DNA Project
Administrator, the alt-McDowell DNA Project
Co-Administrator, the Cooley DNA Project
Co-Administrator, the McDougall DNA Project
Instructor, the Osher Lifelong Learning Institute (OLLI)
B.A. Humboldt State University, History

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