Re: Birth date for James Cooley that married Jane White

From: Sandra Stanton <sandystanton_at_prodigy.net>
Date: Tue, 27 Sep 2011 07:54:55 -0700 (PDT)

But you are leaving out the daughters in the list for possible birth dates.  I have to get ready for a genealogical meeting, so can't look up what I believe the dates to be.  Will get back to you all later.

--- On Mon, 9/26/11, Amy Martin <amycmartin_at_cox.net> wrote:


From: Amy Martin <amycmartin_at_cox.net>
Subject: Re: Birth date for James Cooley that married Jane White
To: "John Cooley Mailing List" <undisclosed.recipients_at_johncooley.net>
Date: Monday, September 26, 2011, 8:37 PM


I'm a little late to the party, but is the Isaac Cooley (brother of =
Tink) the same Isaac that married Frances Alley?

On Sep 26, 2011, at 11:16 PM, Michael Cooley wrote:

> I'm not sure where the date of 1808 originated, but it make sense if =
we
> accept the order of children listed in James's letters of =
administration:
>=20
> Demarquis D Cooley (1802-1826) m Rebecca
> Isaac N Cooley (1805-c1838)
> James M Cooley (1808-)
> Timothy Goode "Tink" Cooley (1810-1893)
> John H Cooley (1812-1846)
> Cornelius Cooley (1814-1843 MO)
> Benjamin R Cooley (1816-1880+ MO)
> Mathias M Cooley (1818-1870)
> William W Cooley (1818- MO)
>=20
> I know that the year of Matthias's birth is pretty solid due to census
> records and his tombstone. I think Ben's also is consistent with =
census
> records. How about Tink's? I understand that's solid too. If the birth =
order
> is correct and James was born between Isaac and Tink, then 1808ish =
works.
>=20
> In respect to Joseph's children, his daughter, Elizabeth Cooley White, =
said
> this: "In my eleventh year, death visited our family and claimed my =
mother
> for its victim, leaving six children. I being the third child..."
>=20
> I have...
>=20
> Elizabeth Cooley (c1790-c1881) m William White
> Mary Cooley (1791-) m Jesse Mitchell
> John Cooley (1793-1844) m Elizabeth White
> James Cooley (1796-c1829) m Jane White?
> Hannah Cooley (1798-) m William Wilson
> Tempy Cooley (1800-)
>=20
> .... but that doesn't make her the third child!
>=20
> I'd have to review census records to see how consistently Elizabeth's =
age is
> given, but the 1790 census for Joseph gives him one son, presumably =
born
> 1790 or earler. (As far as I can tell, there is no census record for =
Joseph
> in 1800. Too bad. That would help!)
>=20
> Unfortunately, there are too many FGSes without sources listed. Jim =
Terry's
> FGS, which I first saw in the 1990s, says this for James, as son of =
Joseph:
> "1796 - Goose Creek, Green, Kentucky, USA" I asked him about it and he =
said
> it came from the IGI.
>=20
> So, is it reasonable to accept the order of births from James's =
records? If
> so, are there some good anchors in the form of reliable birth years =
from
> which to build out the other dates? I'd bet that most of the dates =
we're
> looking at were approximations based on the much of the same material =
we're
> looking at.
>=20
> In his 1930s letter to Tallant, Kiergan said he -thought- James was =
his
> grandfather's brother but, as Sandy pointed out, there are decided =
errors in
> those letters. Do we have other clues as to the identity of Joseph's =
first
> six children.
>=20
> It would be odd that Joseph didn't name one of is children but, as =
pointed
> out, that's not necessarily unusual. My Edward Cooley didn't name his =
son
> Reuben.
>=20
> James as a son of Joseph may be difficult to show with primary records =
but I
> suspect we can get a reasonable fix on the birth year for James's =
James.
>=20
> -Michael
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>> The birth date for James Cooley in the Cooley-White family histories =
I =3D
>> have seen gives 1802 as his date of birth not 1808.  One history =
lists =3D
>> him as James Cooley, Jr. but did not see anything to confirm that =3D
>> either.  This history gives both 1802 for birth in Goose Creek,  =
Green =3D
>> County,  Ky but also lists the possibility of his birth at 1808 in =
Casey =3D
>> County, Ky.
>>=20
>> The birth date given for Jane White is June 25, 1802 in Mercer Co., =
Ky.  =3D
>> Would Jane have married someone six years younger than she, perhaps =
when =3D
>> she was 18 or 19?
>>=20
>> Another source to look at is Jan Martinet's Cooley history.  On page =
2 =3D
>> she gives details of Joseph T. Cooley's estate probated in Clay =
County, =3D
>> Missouri dated Sept. 12, 1826.  It shows the following heirs to =
Joseph =3D
>> T. Cooley and I am quoting:
>> Keziah Cooley, his widow and their children: Polly Mitchell, John, =3D
>> Elizabeth Cooley, Hannah Wilson, Evaline, Christopher C. Cassander, =3D=

>> Harrison, Jackson, Franklin and Eli.
>>=20
>>  She does not list a James Cooley at all and he would still have been =
=3D
>> alive in 1826.  I suppose it is possible if there was a James he =
could =3D
>> have received no inheritance.  Can't rule that out.
>> This does not state if there was a will, just that it was probated on =
=3D
>> this date.
>>=20
>> I would suspect this is why historians have concluded that James =
Cooley =3D
>> that married Jane White is James Cooley's son.  There should be no =
doubt =3D
>> from this that John Cooley that married Elizabeth White was Joseph's =
=3D
>> son.
>> Jane Wisdom
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>> <DIV><STRONG><FONT face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2>The birth date for James =
Cooley =3D
>> in the=3D20
>> Cooley-White family histories I have seen gives 1802 as his date of =3D=

>> birth not=3D20
>> 1808.&nbsp; One history lists him as James Cooley, Jr. but did not =
see =3D
>> anything=3D20
>> to confirm that either.&nbsp; This history gives both 1802 for birth =
in =3D
>> Goose=3D20
>> Creek,&nbsp; Green County, &nbsp;Ky but also lists the possibility of =
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>> his birth=3D20
>> at 1808 in Casey County, Ky.</FONT></STRONG></DIV>
>> <DIV><STRONG><FONT face=3D3DArial =
size=3D3D2></FONT></STRONG>&nbsp;</DIV>
>> <DIV><STRONG><FONT face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2>The birth date given for =
Jane =3D
>> White is June=3D20
>> 25, 1802 in Mercer Co., Ky.&nbsp; Would Jane have married someone six =
=3D
>> years=3D20
>> younger than she, perhaps when she was 18 or =
19?</FONT></STRONG></DIV>
>> <DIV><STRONG><FONT face=3D3DArial =
size=3D3D2></FONT></STRONG>&nbsp;</DIV>
>> <DIV><STRONG><FONT face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2>Another source to look =
at is =3D
>> Jan Martinet's=3D20
>> Cooley history.&nbsp; On page 2 she gives details of Joseph T.=3D20
>> Cooley's&nbsp;estate probated&nbsp;in Clay County, Missouri dated =
Sept. =3D
>> 12,=3D20
>> 1826.&nbsp; It shows the following heirs to Joseph T. Cooley and I =
am=3D20
>> quoting:</FONT></STRONG></DIV>
>> <DIV><STRONG><FONT face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2>Keziah Cooley, his widow =
and =3D
>> their=3D20
>> children: Polly Mitchell, John, Elizabeth Cooley, Hannah Wilson, =3D
>> Evaline,=3D20
>> Christopher C. Cassander, Harrison, Jackson, Franklin and=3D20
>> Eli.</FONT></STRONG></DIV>
>> <DIV><STRONG><FONT face=3D3DArial =
size=3D3D2></FONT></STRONG>&nbsp;</DIV>
>> <DIV><STRONG><FONT face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2>&nbsp; She does not list =
a =3D
>> James=3D20
>> Cooley&nbsp;at all and he would still have been alive in 1826.&nbsp; =
I =3D
>> suppose=3D20
>> it is possible if there was a James he could have received&nbsp;no=3D20=

>> inheritance.&nbsp; Can't rule that out.</FONT></STRONG></DIV>
>> <DIV><STRONG><FONT face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2>This does not state if =
there =3D
>> was a will,=3D20
>> just that it was probated on this date.</FONT></STRONG></DIV>
>> <DIV><STRONG><FONT face=3D3DArial =
size=3D3D2></FONT></STRONG>&nbsp;</DIV>
>> <DIV><STRONG><FONT face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2>I would suspect this is =
why =3D
>> historians have=3D20
>> concluded that James Cooley that married Jane White&nbsp;is James =3D
>> Cooley's=3D20
>> son.&nbsp; There should be no doubt from this that John Cooley that =3D=

>> married=3D20
>> Elizabeth White was Joseph's son.</FONT></STRONG></DIV>
>> <DIV><STRONG><FONT face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2>Jane =3D
>> Wisdom</FONT></STRONG></DIV>
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