Re: Birth date for James Cooley that married Jane White

From: Amy Martin <amycmartin_at_cox.net>
Date: Mon, 26 Sep 2011 23:37:05 -0400

I'm a little late to the party, but is the Isaac Cooley (brother of Tink) the same Isaac that married Frances Alley?

On Sep 26, 2011, at 11:16 PM, Michael Cooley wrote:

> I'm not sure where the date of 1808 originated, but it make sense if we
> accept the order of children listed in James's letters of administration:
>
> Demarquis D Cooley (1802-1826) m Rebecca
> Isaac N Cooley (1805-c1838)
> James M Cooley (1808-)
> Timothy Goode "Tink" Cooley (1810-1893)
> John H Cooley (1812-1846)
> Cornelius Cooley (1814-1843 MO)
> Benjamin R Cooley (1816-1880+ MO)
> Mathias M Cooley (1818-1870)
> William W Cooley (1818- MO)
>
> I know that the year of Matthias's birth is pretty solid due to census
> records and his tombstone. I think Ben's also is consistent with census
> records. How about Tink's? I understand that's solid too. If the birth order
> is correct and James was born between Isaac and Tink, then 1808ish works.
>
> In respect to Joseph's children, his daughter, Elizabeth Cooley White, said
> this: "In my eleventh year, death visited our family and claimed my mother
> for its victim, leaving six children. I being the third child..."
>
> I have...
>
> Elizabeth Cooley (c1790-c1881) m William White
> Mary Cooley (1791-) m Jesse Mitchell
> John Cooley (1793-1844) m Elizabeth White
> James Cooley (1796-c1829) m Jane White?
> Hannah Cooley (1798-) m William Wilson
> Tempy Cooley (1800-)
>
> .... but that doesn't make her the third child!
>
> I'd have to review census records to see how consistently Elizabeth's age is
> given, but the 1790 census for Joseph gives him one son, presumably born
> 1790 or earler. (As far as I can tell, there is no census record for Joseph
> in 1800. Too bad. That would help!)
>
> Unfortunately, there are too many FGSes without sources listed. Jim Terry's
> FGS, which I first saw in the 1990s, says this for James, as son of Joseph:
> "1796 - Goose Creek, Green, Kentucky, USA" I asked him about it and he said
> it came from the IGI.
>
> So, is it reasonable to accept the order of births from James's records? If
> so, are there some good anchors in the form of reliable birth years from
> which to build out the other dates? I'd bet that most of the dates we're
> looking at were approximations based on the much of the same material we're
> looking at.
>
> In his 1930s letter to Tallant, Kiergan said he -thought- James was his
> grandfather's brother but, as Sandy pointed out, there are decided errors in
> those letters. Do we have other clues as to the identity of Joseph's first
> six children.
>
> It would be odd that Joseph didn't name one of is children but, as pointed
> out, that's not necessarily unusual. My Edward Cooley didn't name his son
> Reuben.
>
> James as a son of Joseph may be difficult to show with primary records but I
> suspect we can get a reasonable fix on the birth year for James's James.
>
> -Michael
>
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>> The birth date for James Cooley in the Cooley-White family histories I =
>> have seen gives 1802 as his date of birth not 1808. One history lists =
>> him as James Cooley, Jr. but did not see anything to confirm that =
>> either. This history gives both 1802 for birth in Goose Creek, Green =
>> County, Ky but also lists the possibility of his birth at 1808 in Casey =
>> County, Ky.
>>
>> The birth date given for Jane White is June 25, 1802 in Mercer Co., Ky. =
>> Would Jane have married someone six years younger than she, perhaps when =
>> she was 18 or 19?
>>
>> Another source to look at is Jan Martinet's Cooley history. On page 2 =
>> she gives details of Joseph T. Cooley's estate probated in Clay County, =
>> Missouri dated Sept. 12, 1826. It shows the following heirs to Joseph =
>> T. Cooley and I am quoting:
>> Keziah Cooley, his widow and their children: Polly Mitchell, John, =
>> Elizabeth Cooley, Hannah Wilson, Evaline, Christopher C. Cassander, =
>> Harrison, Jackson, Franklin and Eli.
>>
>> She does not list a James Cooley at all and he would still have been =
>> alive in 1826. I suppose it is possible if there was a James he could =
>> have received no inheritance. Can't rule that out.
>> This does not state if there was a will, just that it was probated on =
>> this date.
>>
>> I would suspect this is why historians have concluded that James Cooley =
>> that married Jane White is James Cooley's son. There should be no doubt =
>> from this that John Cooley that married Elizabeth White was Joseph's =
>> son.
>> Jane Wisdom
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>> <DIV><STRONG><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>The birth date for James Cooley =
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>> Cooley-White family histories I have seen gives 1802 as his date of =
>> birth not=20
>> 1808.&nbsp; One history lists him as James Cooley, Jr. but did not see =
>> anything=20
>> to confirm that either.&nbsp; This history gives both 1802 for birth in =
>> Goose=20
>> Creek,&nbsp; Green County, &nbsp;Ky but also lists the possibility of =
>> his birth=20
>> at 1808 in Casey County, Ky.</FONT></STRONG></DIV>
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>> <DIV><STRONG><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>The birth date given for Jane =
>> White is June=20
>> 25, 1802 in Mercer Co., Ky.&nbsp; Would Jane have married someone six =
>> years=20
>> younger than she, perhaps when she was 18 or 19?</FONT></STRONG></DIV>
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>> <DIV><STRONG><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Another source to look at is =
>> Jan Martinet's=20
>> Cooley history.&nbsp; On page 2 she gives details of Joseph T.=20
>> Cooley's&nbsp;estate probated&nbsp;in Clay County, Missouri dated Sept. =
>> 12,=20
>> 1826.&nbsp; It shows the following heirs to Joseph T. Cooley and I am=20
>> quoting:</FONT></STRONG></DIV>
>> <DIV><STRONG><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Keziah Cooley, his widow and =
>> their=20
>> children: Polly Mitchell, John, Elizabeth Cooley, Hannah Wilson, =
>> Evaline,=20
>> Christopher C. Cassander, Harrison, Jackson, Franklin and=20
>> Eli.</FONT></STRONG></DIV>
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>> <DIV><STRONG><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>&nbsp; She does not list a =
>> James=20
>> Cooley&nbsp;at all and he would still have been alive in 1826.&nbsp; I =
>> suppose=20
>> it is possible if there was a James he could have received&nbsp;no=20
>> inheritance.&nbsp; Can't rule that out.</FONT></STRONG></DIV>
>> <DIV><STRONG><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>This does not state if there =
>> was a will,=20
>> just that it was probated on this date.</FONT></STRONG></DIV>
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>> <DIV><STRONG><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>I would suspect this is why =
>> historians have=20
>> concluded that James Cooley that married Jane White&nbsp;is James =
>> Cooley's=20
>> son.&nbsp; There should be no doubt from this that John Cooley that =
>> married=20
>> Elizabeth White was Joseph's son.</FONT></STRONG></DIV>
>> <DIV><STRONG><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Jane =
>> Wisdom</FONT></STRONG></DIV>
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