Re: John Cooley m Jane White

From: Michael Cooley <>
Date: Sun, 25 Sep 2011 13:03:45 -0700

Maybe I am misinterpreting it! There are double negatives in the logic in
the legalese.

Here are scans that Sandra (what a gal!) sent to me a couple of years ago.

The Judge moved to Columbia in 1817 (about 21 years old). It's possible he
could have been a judge by his mid-twenties. Also, Jane would have been
referred to as Jane Tuttle if these were written up after 1833. Looks like
I need some help on this one. :)


> Thanks, Jane! Have you found her in 1900?
> Of course, either James or Joseph would have had children born in KY. I'm
> having trouble, though, finding much on James there.
> Sorry if this is a shocker but I think it needs to be worked out. If it
> can be shown that the Letters of Administration were drawn up in the
> 1830s, that would pretty much nail it-- unless I'm misinterpreting
> something! I'm always ready to listen to that possibility!
> -Michael
>> In the 1880 Macon County, Mo. census Alzada Cooley Roberts gave both her
>> father and mother as having been born in Kentucky.
>> Jane Wisdom
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Michael Cooley" <>
>> To: "John Cooley Mailing List" <>
>> Sent: Sunday, September 25, 2011 1:33 PM
>> Subject: Re: John Cooley m Jane White
>>> Mostly the age difference. The fact that knowledge about James came
>>> down
>>> through a Joseph descendant is also interesting. Of course, there were
>>> a
>>> lot of marriages between the Joseph Cooley family and the Whites, but
>>> that
>>> doesn't mean that it couldn't have happened in James's family.
>>> But this would be the clincher: we need to learn the date of the
>>> letters
>>> of administration for the elder James Cooley (d 1822). Son Benjamin
>>> Cooley
>>> (b 1816) was -not- listed as a minor which means the paperwork might
>>> have
>>> been done as late as 1837. James M is listed but the James who married
>>> Jane White would have long been dead!
>>> Besides, I have an idea what happened to James M Cooley, but -that-
>>> will
>>> be especially controversial and I'm not prepared to go public yet. :)
>>> Your thoughts? Do you have more info about the case that was brought
>>> before the court by Abiel Leonard? (His parers are in the Western
>>> Historical Manuscript Collection. Hmmm, I just read that the judge,
>>> Judge
>>> David Todd, was Mary Todd Lincoln's uncle! I'm trying to find out just
>>> when he moved to Columbia, MO in hopes that it will help date the
>>> papers.)
>>> -Michael
>>>> Michael, could you elaborate more on why you think James Cooley that
>>>> married
>>>> Jane White is the son of Joseph and not James? I already knew that my
>>>> husband, Don and I were both descended from the Cooley family but if
>>>> this
>>>> is true than we also are descended from the same son of John Cooley as
>>>> I
>>>> descend from Joseph through his son, John Cooley, and his son, William
>>>> Cooley. My husband descends through James and Jane White's daughter,
>>>> Alzada that married the Roberts.To my knowledge neither of the White
>>>> family
>>>> or the Cooley histories I have read have Jane White as the daughter in
>>>> law
>>>> of
>>>> Joseph Cooley. I do see descretion in birth dates for this James.
>>>> Jane Wisdom
>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>> From: "Michael Cooley" <>
>>>> To: "John Cooley Mailing List" <>
>>>> Sent: Saturday, September 24, 2011 9:33 PM
>>>> Subject: John Cooley m Jane White
>>>>>I believe that the John Cooley who married Jane White was
>>>>> misidentified,
>>>>> possibly by Pat Walker, as the son of James Cooley (1772-1821). For
>>>>> several reasons, I think he was the son of Joseph Cooley (1767-1826)
>>>>> and
>>>>> his first (unidentified) wife.
>>>>> James and Jane had two daughters:
>>>>> Macon county MO marriages:
>>>>> A/46, 1/2/1844, Roberts Raphel, Cooley Nancy, AL Gilstrap JP
>>>>> A/79, 8/27/1846, Roberts Brimel, Cooley Alzada, John Leathers
>>>>> Preacher
>>>>> Sandra Stanton emailed this to me in Aug 2010:
>>>>> --quote--
>>>>> Ltr. dated 22 Nov 1936 from Sarah Ellen Roberts to WW Smith stated
>>>>> the
>>>>> following. "I do not have any record of the marriage or death of
>>>>> James
>>>>> Cooley. I do not know when Thos. Tuttle and grandmother were married.
>>>>> Uncle Washington [Tuttle] was the only child that I know of and he
>>>>> died
>>>>> in
>>>>> 1863. The names of the boys who died young were Demarcus and Henry
>>>>> Cooley"
>>>>> --endquote--
>>>>> We, then, have this:
>>>>> Jane White m1 James Cooley
>>>>> ..Nancy Cooley m Roberts
>>>>> ..Alzada Cooley m Roberts
>>>>> ..Demarcus Cooley, died young
>>>>> ..Henry Cooley, died young
>>>>> Jane (White) Cooley m2 Thomas Tuttle
>>>>> ..Washington Tuttle (-1863)
>>>>> James died by 1929 having at least four children. As far as I know,
>>>>> the
>>>>> marriage date for James and Jane is unknown, but the fact of four
>>>>> kids
>>>>> by
>>>>> 1829 would suggest a marriage by 1821. James son of James would have
>>>>> been
>>>>> only 13. However, James son of Joseph would have been about 24. This
>>>>> is
>>>>> far more reasonable.
>>>>> Arthur Kiergan, born in the 1840s, was a great-grandson of Joseph
>>>>> Cooley.
>>>>> Arthur knew the family very well and remembered his dad talking about
>>>>> James Cooley and had always assumed he was a son of Joseph's. (James
>>>>> had
>>>>> died a dozen or so years before Arthur's death.) He says this:
>>>>> Letter, 30 May 1932, from Arthur M Kiergan to Mildred Cooley Tallant.
>>>>> --quote--
>>>>> "The bondsmen for James Cooley, [can't read] were evidently my
>>>>> grandfather
>>>>> John Cooley and Thomas (Uncle "Tant") as my father called him was
>>>>> evidently
>>>>> the brother of my grandmother White Cooley. But Jane [can't read] I
>>>>> cannot
>>>>> place but likely was sis. to my grandfather. It would be most natural
>>>>> to
>>>>> associate the close kin in such a capacity. It strikes me that this
>>>>> James
>>>>> Cooley, of August 25, 1829, John Cooley and Jane Cooley were brothers
>>>>> and
>>>>> sister and that Thos ("Tant") White was a brother to my grandmother.
>>>>> This
>>>>> latter I know to be correct, for my father spoke of him often in my
>>>>> childhood as my mother's uncle."
>>>>> --endquote--
>>>>> In other words,
>>>>> Joseph Cooley
>>>>> ..John Cooley m Elizabeth White (sister of "Uncle Tant")
>>>>> ....Dorothy Cooley m Benjamin Kiergan
>>>>> ......Arthur Kiergan
>>>>> ..James Cooley m Jane White
>>>>> To be fair, Arthur wasn't sure of the relationship but Walker's
>>>>> assertions
>>>>> just does not work.
>>>>> There's more info in my notes:
>>>>> --
>>>>> <a href="">distlist 0.9</a>
>>>>> See for list
>>>>> information.
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