You may not need to hire anyone. I've had good luck recently with
libraries, especially if you have specific dates. The main branch in
Salinas would be the first to check for Monterey County. As I mentioned in
the last email, info about William Perrin Cooley may yield something
useful.
-Michael
On Mon, June 23, 2014 9:06 pm, Bonnie & Craig Lillywhite wrote:
> The marriage record of Emely Cooley to William Perry Murley does not
> mention parents. However, on Find A Grave her parents are mentioned as
> Perian Cooley (1811-1899) and Lucinda Carter Cooley (1819-1878). As far
> as I can tell she was their only child.
> Emily M Cooley was b 1834 Macon County, MO and d 1896 in Parkfield,
> Monterey, CA. She and William had 13 documented children. Among them was a
> Lucinda and a William Perian.
> I may hire someone to look for Emily's obit in California.
> Bonnie
>
>
>
> On Mon, Jun 23, 2014 at 7:35 PM, Michael Cooley <michael_at_newsummer.com>
> wrote:
>
>
>> I don't think anyone is referring to Emeline Sutton, who was, of
>> course, married to Perrin C, as Emma/Emely. Does the 1849 marriage
>> record mention Emely/Emma's parents? The thought earlier was that the
>> obit may be wrong since Perrin is listed with no children in 1840.
>> However, *that* may be
>> wrong.
>>
>> I mentioned Emeline in response to your order of marriages for Perrin
>> C. I
>> think the marriage to Polly Wood cane after, rather than before, his
>> marriage to Emmeline.
>>
>> Does anyone have records to Emily Murley? In the meantime, I'm going to
>> put her down as a possible daughter.
>>
>> -Michael
>>
>>
>> On Mon, June 23, 2014 7:27 pm, Bonnie & Craig Lillywhite wrote:
>>
>>> I'm confused as to what Emma you are referring to. Emeline Sutton? or
>>> Perrin Cooley, Jr's dau with Lucinda Carter, listed as Emely in her
>>> 1849
>>> marriage to William Perry Cooley and as Emma on Find A Grave? Is there
>>> another Emma I don't know about? Bonnie
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Mon, Jun 23, 2014 at 1:48 PM, Michael Cooley
>>> <michael_at_newsummer.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>> I used to have the marriages in that order until our conversation
>>>> last week. It seems Emeline probably died soon after the marriage as
>>>> Perrin
>>>> his with his presumed cousins, Harriet and Edward, in 1850. He then
>>>> shows with Polly Wood on the 1860 with her mother and one child.
>>>> She
>>>> died--or they separated--by c1863 when he "married" Margaret Reed.
>>>>
>>>> I haven't yet been able to get my head around Emma yet.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> -Michael
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Mon, June 23, 2014 12:27 pm, Bonnie & Craig Lillywhite wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> I have Perrin C as md 1) Polly Wood. This is only from hearsay,
>>>>> no proof, Wife number 2) Emeline Sutton on 9 Apr 1849 in Macon
>>>>> County,
>>>>> MO.(However
>>>>> she is not w/him in 1850. Did she die right away?) Wife 3)
>>>>> Margaret
>>>>> Ann
>>>>> Reed, the 1910 census of Maudlow, Gallatin, Montana, says they
>>>>> were md 47
>>>>> years, (or 1863), however there is a marriage recorded on 27 Mar
>>>>> 1891
>>>>> in Adair County, MO. That marriage lists Margaret as Reed and
>>>>> Cooley.
>>>>> Because
>>>>> of that it seems that for some reason they needed to be married
>>>>> again. I
>>>>> think I have mentioned before that I believe I am also related to
>>>>> Margaret
>>>>> as my Reed line is found in Adair and Macon Counties.
>>>>>
>>>>> As far as Emma Cooley, dau of Perrin (b 25 Dec 1811 in MO,
>>>>> although MO
>>>>> was not a state at that time), she is listed as Emely on her
>>>>> marriage to William Perry Murley on 15 Nov 1849 Macon County, and
>>>>> as Emily on census records. The only place she is listed as Emma
>>>>> is on the Find A Grave
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>> site.
>>>>> I have traced the children of that marriage and found several in
>>>>> CA
>>>>> death indexes. They do list their mother as a Cooley. Bonnie
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Sun, Jun 22, 2014 at 11:42 PM, Michael Cooley
>>>>> <michael_at_newsummer.com>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> He was nearly 30 by the time he married Emeline. It's certainly
>>>>>> possible he was married before that. I think the Polly Wood
>>>>>> marriage happened in the early 1850s.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Mon, June 23, 2014 12:19 am, Julie wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Well we know Perrin C was married multiple times, 4 if I
>>>>>>> remember correctly (= one of the census records stated it)
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Margaret was his last wife, and while they do have a marriage
>>>>>>> record for 188= 9 they were married before that, at least 15
>>>>>>> years... We do not have
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> their
>>>>>>> f= irst marriage record..perhaps lost or destroyed?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Before Margaret I am unsure who his other wives were, and I
>>>>>>> don't know who N= ellie's mother was, nor could I find a
>>>>>>> census with her as a child.=20
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Jun 22, 2014, at 1:06 PM, "Michael Cooley"
>>>>>>> <michael_at_newsummer.com>
>>>>>>> wrote:=
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Sandy brought that up a couple of years ago. But she has 13
>>>>>>>> Mar
>>>>>>>> 1889 as
>>>>>>>> the marriage date. I've out her down as possible wife of
>>>>>>>> Perrin
>>>>>>>> Jr
>>>>>>>> because=
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Lucinda died in 1876, and Perrin was alive and a widower in
>>>>>>>> 1880. I
>>>>>>>> guess it's not that unusual for him to have married again at
>>>>>>>> that late a date. I=
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> she was elderly too she too might have died by the 1900
>>>>>>>> census. Unless
>>>>>>>> we find local obits or burial records, we may never know
>>>>>>>> more. It
>>>>>>>> would be something for you to look into while you're there.
>>>>>>>> =20
>>>>>>>> -Michael
>>>>>>>> =20
>>>>>>>> On Sun, June 22, 2014 2:41 pm, Julie wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I don't have any info for Emeline Sutton, but I do have a
>>>>>>>>> marriage record=
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> fo=3D r a Perrin (transcribed as Perrice) Cooley and an
>>>>>>>>> Eliza
>>>>>>>>> Rudolph
>>>>>>>>> in Kirksvill=3D e in 1849 =20 =20 Do we know which Perrin
>>>>>>>>> that is? Seems like Perrin C just because of his=
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> lo=3D cation ( don't know if Jr often traveled that far
>>>>>>>>> north) but I'm no=
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> t
>>>>>>>>> familia=3D r at all with Eliza Rudolph... Not even sure
>>>>>>>>> how I found that record. =20 Sent from my iPhone =20 =20
>>>>>>>>> On Jun 19, 2014, at 11:52 PM, "Mary Lou Cooley"
>>>>>>>>> <mlcooley_at_q.com>
>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>> =20
>>>>>>>>> =20
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Thank you for responding. I was wondering about the
>>>>>>>>>> death date of abt 186=3D
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> 4=3D20
>>>>>>>>> =20
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> for Emeline Sutton - where it might have come from.
>>>>>>>>>> =3D20
>>>>>>>>>> Mary
>>>>>>>>>> C.
>>>>>>>>>> =3D20
>>>>>>>>>> -----Original Message-----=3D20
>>>>>>>>>> From: Julie
>>>>>>>>>> Sent: Thursday, June 19, 2014 8:57 AM
>>>>>>>>>> To: John Cooley Mailing List
>>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: Perrin C Cooley
>>>>>>>>>> =3D20
>>>>>>>>>> That tree Terrizaz is my mother's tree that I manage for
>>>>>>>>>> her (
>>>>>>>>>> if there ar=3D
>>>>>>>>> e=3D20
>>>>>>>>>> a=3D3D ny errors please let me know :) ) Joel and Nancy
>>>>>>>>>> had some of the pictures of the Cooleys, my mom and=3D20
>>>>>>>>>> grandpare=3D3D nts had the othe=
>>>>>>> rs,
>>>>>>>>>> so I know that Joel and I are cousins fairly close
>>>>>>>>>> and=3D
>>>>>>>>> =3D20
>>>>>>>>> =20
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> t=3D3D hat much is right.=3D3D20 =3D20 =3D20 =3D20 Sent
>>>>>>>>>> from my iPhone =3D20 On Jun 17, 2014, at 10:28 AM, "Mary
>>>>>>>>>> Lou Cooley"
>>>>>>>>>> <mlcooley_at_q.com>
>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> =3D20
>>>>>>>>>> =20
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Does anyone know who this tree belongs to? I saw on
>>>>>>>>>>> Ancestry.com=3D20
>>>>>>>>>>> yesterda=3D3D
>>>>>>>>>> y=3D3D20
>>>>>>>>>>> (before their website went down):
>>>>>>>>>>> =3D3D20
>>>>>>>>>>> Family Tree: Towner Family Tree
>>>>>>>>>>> Owner: terrizaz
>>>>>>>>>>> =3D3D20
>>>>>>>>>>> On this tree was a photo of Nellie Woods with her
>>>>>>>>>>> daughter Daisey
>>>>>>>>>>> Woods.=3D20=3D
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> =20
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> O=3D3D
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> n=3D3D20
>>>>>>>>>>> the back is written, "sister of Joseph Cooley" (I
>>>>>>>>>>> think it was Joseph=3D20 C=3D3D20=3D3D
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> =3D20
>>>>>>>>>> =20
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Cooley but I can't get on Ancestry website to
>>>>>>>>>>> confirm). Nellie
>>>>>>>>>>> was born=3D20=3D
>>>>>>>>> =20
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> 0=3D3D
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> 1=3D3D20
>>>>>>>>>> =20
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Feb 1859 in Holt Co., MO in this tree. I believe
>>>>>>>>>>> there was also a=3D20=
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> death=3D3D20=3D3D
>>>>>>>>>> =3D20
>>>>>>>>>> =20
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> certificate for Nellie listing her father as Perrin
>>>>>>>>>>> Cooley
>>>>>>>>>>> but mother's=3D20=3D
>>>>>>>>> =20
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> na=3D3D
>>>>>>>>>> me=3D3D20
>>>>>>>>>>> was unknown. Mother was listed on the website as
>>>>>>>>>>> Emeline
>>>>>>>>>>> Sutton.
>>>>>>>>>>> =3D3D20
>>>>>>>>>>> This is the 1900 census for Nellie:
>>>>>>>>>>> 1900 United States Federal Census
>>>>>>>>>>> Name: Nellie Woods
>>>>>>>>>>> Age: 43
>>>>>>>>>>> Birth Date: May 1857
>>>>>>>>>>> Birthplace: Indiana
>>>>>>>>>>> Home in 1900: St Joseph Ward 6, Buchanan, Missouri
>>>>>>>>>>> Race: White
>>>>>>>>>>> Gender: Female
>>>>>>>>>>> Relation to Head of House: Wife
>>>>>>>>>>> Marital Status: Married
>>>>>>>>>>> Spouse's Name: Francis Woods
>>>>>>>>>>> Marriage Year: 1875
>>>>>>>>>>> Years Married: 25
>>>>>>>>>>> Father's Birthplace: Indiana
>>>>>>>>>>> Mother's Birthplace: Indiana
>>>>>>>>>>> Mother: number of living children: 1
>>>>>>>>>>> Mother: How many children: 1
>>>>>>>>>>> Household Members: Name Age
>>>>>>>>>>> Francis Woods 54 (b. Indiana)
>>>>>>>>>>> Nellie Woods 43
>>>>>>>>>>> Daisey Woods 20 (b. Kansas)
>>>>>>>>>>> ~~~~~~
>>>>>>>>>>> Nellie married John Francis Woods b. Dec 1846 in IN
>>>>>>>>>>> (per
>>>>>>>>>>> 1900
>>>>>>>>>>> census). =3D3D20 Sorry, to be so vague but I didn't
>>>>>>>>>>> save photo before Ancestry website=3D20 went=3D3D
>>>>>>>>>> =3D3D20
>>>>>>>>>> =20
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> down. =3D3D20 Mary C. =3D3D20 -----Original
>>>>>>>>>>> Message-----=3D3D20
>>>>>>>>>>> From: Michael Cooley
>>>>>>>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, June 17, 2014 2:25 AM
>>>>>>>>>>> To: John Cooley Mailing List
>>>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: Perrin C Cooley
>>>>>>>>>>> =3D3D20
>>>>>>>>>>> Yeah, that's how I've had it on my "Y page" for years.
>>>>>>>>>>> In
>>>>>>>>>>> 1810,
>>>>>>>>>>> Perrin=3D20=3D
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> =20
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> had=3D3D
>>>>>>>>>> =3D20
>>>>>>>>>> =20
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> four sons--and Perrin Jr hadn't even yet been born
>>>>>>>>>>> (if we
>>>>>>>>>>> can believe the=3D
>>>>>>>>> =20
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> date, c1813, that we have for him). William was born
>>>>>>>>>>> c1804. John wouldn't=3D
>>>>>>>>> =20
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> have been born much later--likely earlier. There may
>>>>>>>>>>> have been two births=3D
>>>>>>>>> =20
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> c1799-1802. A thought here. Old genealogies give the
>>>>>>>>>>> birth of your=3D20=
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> James's=3D3D
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> =3D20
>>>>>>>>>> =20
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> son John H Cooley as 1802. For a number of reasons, I
>>>>>>>>>>> don't think it was right, just as I think James's
>>>>>>>>>>> James's
>>>>>>>>>>> birthdate was wrongly given as (I think) 1796/7 (I'd
>>>>>>>>>>> have to look at old emails.) Perhaps the evidence
>>>>>>>>>>> attributed to James's James
>>>>>>>>>>> and John H were for Perrin's children. In other words,
>>>>>>>>>>> it may have been Perrin's John that was born in 1802.
>>>>>>>>>>> If
>>>>>>>>>>> true, that does leave a good window for the the birth
>>>>>>>>>>> of another son. But=3D
>>>>>>>>> =20
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> if James had a second deceased brother other than
>>>>>>>>>>> John,
>>>>>>>>>>> why didn't also make provisions for his children in
>>>>>>>>>>> his estate, as he did with John's heirs? =3D3D20 It's
>>>>>>>>>>> also possible that Perrin C and/or the John Cooley (m
>>>>>>>>>>> Treadwell)=3D20
>>>>>>>>>>> were=3D3D
>>>>>>>>>> =3D20
>>>>>>>>>> =20
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> unacknowledged sons of either Perrin Sr or his son
>>>>>>>>>>> John.
>>>>>>>>>>> In
>>>>>>>>>>> 1840,
>>>>>>>>>>> Perrin=3D20=3D
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> =20
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> C=3D3D
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> =3D20
>>>>>>>>>> =20
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> was likely living with Perrin Jr, and John (m
>>>>>>>>>>> Treadwell)
>>>>>>>>>>> may have been=3D20=3D
>>>>>>>>> =20
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> the=3D3D
>>>>>>>>>> =3D20
>>>>>>>>>> =20
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> boy of about the right age to be living with Perrin
>>>>>>>>>>> Sr.
>>>>>>>>>>> =3D3D20
>>>>>>>>>>> The possibilities boggle the mind. But the DNA data is
>>>>>>>>>>> helping to point the way. I'm still hoping for a
>>>>>>>>>>> "magic
>>>>>>>>>>> SNP". :)
>>>>>>>>>>> =3D3D20
>>>>>>>>>>> Somewhere in my 1991 and 1992 correspondence with Jo
>>>>>>>>>>> White
>>>>>>>>>>> Linn,
>>>>>>>>>>> she said=3D
>>>>>>>>> =20
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> that Perrin was an important name in Virginia. I've
>>>>>>>>>>> tried following through with the notion a few times
>>>>>>>>>>> but really found nothing. =3D3D20 -Michael =3D3D20
>>>>>>>>>>> =3D3D20
>>>>>>>>>>> On Tue, June 17, 2014 1:35 am, lvcooley5 wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> =20
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Though there have been stranger scenarios, it seems
>>>>>>>>>>>> most likely that Perrin C. is the son of a
>>>>>>>>>>>> deceased son of Perrin Sr. The 1800
>>>>>>>>>>>> Stokes
>>>>>>>>>>>> Census lists 2 males under 10, which would have been
>>>>>>>>>>>> James
>>>>>>>>>>>> (1797)
>>>>>>>>>>>> and, presumably, Perrin C's father (let's call him
>>>>>>>>>>>> Joseph?)
>>>>>>>>>>>> =3D3D20
>>>>>>>>>>>> Are there any unaccounted-for Missouri marriages
>>>>>>>>>>>> circa 1820?
>>>>>>>>>>>> =3D3D20
>>>>>>>>>>>> =3D3D20
>>>>>>>>>>>> PS Has anyone ever mentioned before that there is
>>>>>>>>>>>> an unincorporated town in Gloucester County,
>>>>>>>>>>>> Virginia,
>>>>>>>>>>>> called Perrin? It's due east of=3D3D=3D
>>>>>>>>> 20
>>>>>>>>> =20
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Hayes
>>>>>>>>>>>> in the area that also includes the Perrin River.
>>>>>>>>>>>> There
>>>>>>>>>>>> was a prominent Perrin family there pre-1700 but so
>>>>>>>>>>>> far I
>>>>>>>>>>>> haven't found any gold. =3D3D20 Jim =3D3D20 =3D3D20
>>>>>>>>>>>> =3D3D20
>>>>>>>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>>>>>>>> From: Michael Cooley
>>>>>>>>>>>> Sent: Saturday, June 14, 2014 5:48 PM
>>>>>>>>>>>> To: John Cooley Mailing List
>>>>>>>>>>>> Subject: Perrin C Cooley
>>>>>>>>>>>> =3D3D20
>>>>>>>>>>>> =3D3D20
>>>>>>>>>>>> The parentage of Perrin C Cooley has been one of the
>>>>>>>>>>>> group's enduring mysteries. The name Perrin, his
>>>>>>>>>>>> birth in Missouri, and his descendants'=3D20=3D
>>>>>>>>> =20
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Y=3D3D
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> =3D20
>>>>>>>>>> =20
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> DNA make it certain that he is one of ours.
>>>>>>>>>>>> =3D3D20
>>>>>>>>>>>> =3D3D20
>>>>>>>>>>>> We know from Gloria's discovery of the probate
>>>>>>>>>>>> record of Perrin
>>>>>>>>>>>> Sr's=3D20
>>>>>>>>>>>> son,=3D3D
>>>>>>>>>> =3D20
>>>>>>>>>> =20
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> James, had brothers John (m Martha Bearden) and
>>>>>>>>>>>> Perrin.
>>>>>>>>>>>> Of
>>>>>>>>>>>> course, most of us assumed that Perrin was Perrin
>>>>>>>>>>>> Jr--and
>>>>>>>>>>>> that may be true. =3D3D20 Then Gloria made another
>>>>>>>>>>>> discovery a few months ago--that her autosomes have
>>>>>>>>>>>> a matching segment to Jack Cooley, Perrin C's
>>>>>>>>>>>> descendant. The predicted
>>>>>>>>>>>> relationship is 4th to 5th cousins. Here's a page I
>>>>>>>>>>>> put together at that time: =3D3D20
>>>>>>>>>>>> http://ancestraldata.com/staging/N70352-autosomes.h
>>>>>>>>>>>> tml =3D3D20
>>>>>>>>>>>> =3D3D20
>>>>>>>>>>>> The first question that needed be settled was
>>>>>>>>>>>> whether the match indeed came down through the
>>>>>>>>>>>> Cooleys. That's
>>>>>>>>>>>> been largely resolved. Gloria's mother, a Cooley
>>>>>>>>>>>> descendant, has tested. Her results exhibit the
>>>>>>>>>>>> same markers that Gloria has. That greatly increases
>>>>>>>>>>>> the likelihood that the match comes down through a
>>>>>>>>>>>> Cooley
>>>>>>>>>>>> common ancestor. =3D3D20 But the match, as I explain
>>>>>>>>>>>> in this paragraph, reveal nothing more about=3D
>>>>>>>>> =20
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> the degree of relationship with Jack. Typically, a
>>>>>>>>>>>> child is going to inherit a smaller portion (if any
>>>>>>>>>>>> at all) of the matching segment. (The genome needs
>>>>>>>>>>>> to make room for a host of new ancestral DNA derived
>>>>>>>>>>>> from the second parent.) For example, my dad's
>>>>>>>>>>>> autosomes have a reasonably large match to Jack's
>>>>>>>>>>>> uncle. I inherited less than a third of it.=3D20
>>>>>>>>>>>> However=3D3D
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> ,
>>>>>>>>>> =20
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Gloria inherited virtually all of her mother's
>>>>>>>>>>>> matching segment, which (I would think) is typically
>>>>>>>>>>>> within the range of common possibilities. The upshot
>>>>>>>>>>>> of that is that the predicted relation between
>>>>>>>>>>>> Gloria's
>>>>>>>>>>>> mother=3D20=3D
>>>>>>>>> =20
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> and=3D3D
>>>>>>>>>> =3D20
>>>>>>>>>> =20
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Jack is pretty much the same as that for Gloria and
>>>>>>>>>>>> Jack.
>>>>>>>>>>>> =3D3D20
>>>>>>>>>>>> =3D3D20
>>>>>>>>>>>> In playing around with the results, I can tweak the
>>>>>>>>>>>> parameters of the online tools I use and search for
>>>>>>>>>>>> very small matching segments which, individually,
>>>>>>>>>>>> are quite trivial. However, Gloria has only about
>>>>>>>>>>>> one=3D20 third=3D3D
>>>>>>>>>> =3D20
>>>>>>>>>> =20
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> of those matches to Jack then her mother does. I'm
>>>>>>>>>>>> my no means an expert=3D
>>>>>>>>> =20
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> in autosomal DNA, but there might be something
>>>>>>>>>>>> there that can hep us fine-tune the relationship
>>>>>>>>>>>> prediction. =3D3D20
>>>>>>>>>>>> For now,
>>>>>>>>>>>> we're still left with the dilemma: who was Perrin
>>>>>>>>>>>> C's
>>>>>>>>>>>> father.=3D20=3D
>>>>>>>>> =20
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> If=3D3D
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> =3D20
>>>>>>>>>> =20
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> we can determine the degree of relationship, we
>>>>>>>>>>>> might be able to answer that question. I've started
>>>>>>>>>>>> a project to help us examine the autosomes=3D20=3D
>>>>>>>>> =20
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> of=3D3D
>>>>>>>>>> =3D20
>>>>>>>>>> =20
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> John's descendants. If any of you have tested,
>>>>>>>>>>>> please consider joining by sending me an email.
>>>>>>>>>>>> =3D3D20
>>>>>>>>>>>> http://johncooley.net/johnsauto/
>>>>>>>>>>>> =3D3D20
>>>>>>>>>>>> =3D3D20
>>>>>>>>>>>> I'm still of the opinion that Perrin might have had
>>>>>>>>>>>> a fifth as of yet identified son. The 1800 and 1810
>>>>>>>>>>>> census records suggest at the possibility. The 1840
>>>>>>>>>>>> census for "Derrin"
>>>>>>>>>>>> Cooley of
>>>>>>>>>>>> Randolph
>>>>>>>>>>>> County, MO
>>>>>>>>>>>> has two men 20-29. One would have been Perrin Jr.
>>>>>>>>>>>> Could
>>>>>>>>>>>> the other be Perrin C, who would have been 20 that
>>>>>>>>>>>> year? The
>>>>>>>>>>>> census entries for=3D20 Perrin=3D3D
>>>>>>>>>> =3D20
>>>>>>>>>> =20
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Sr includes a boy 10-14. Was he a grandson? If so,
>>>>>>>>>>>> could he have been the son of this missing 5th son
>>>>>>>>>>>> of Perrin's? We
>>>>>>>>>>>> know that John Cooley (1827-1900+) m Sarah Ann
>>>>>>>>>>>> Treadwell
>>>>>>>>>>>> was born in Missouri. Is this him? If=3D
>>>>>>>>> =20
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> so, might he and Perrin C have been brothers? I'm
>>>>>>>>>>>> on the hunt for a Y descendant of John's. =3D3D20
>>>>>>>>>>>> http://ancestraldata.com/ahnentafel/256/1840-MO.htm
>>>>>>>>>>>> l =3D3D20
>>>>>>>>>>>> =3D3D20
>>>>>>>>>>>> BTW, we've found a tester in the Cooley/Hardin line.
>>>>>>>>>>>> =3D3D20
>>>>>>>>>>>> =3D3D20
>>>>>>>>>>>> -Michael
>>>>>>>>>>>> =3D3D20
>>>>>>>>>>>> =3D3D20
>>>>>>>>>>>> --
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>>>>>>>>>>>> href=3D3D3D"http://newsummer.com/distlist">distlist
>>>>>>>>>>>> 0.9b</a>
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>>>>>>>>>>>> =3D3D20
>>>>>>>>>>>> =3D3D20
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>>>>>>>>>>>> 0.9b</a>
>>>>>>>>>>>> See http://johncooley.net/list for list information.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> =3D3D20
>>>>>>>>>>> =3D3D20
>>>>>>>>>>> --=3D3D20
>>>>>>>>>>> VP, the Cooley Family Association of America
>>>>>>>>>>> Administrator, the Akins DNA Project
>>>>>>>>>>> Administrator, the Ashenhurst DNA Project
>>>>>>>>>>> Administrator, the Bishop DNA Project
>>>>>>>>>>> Administrator, the Eldridge DNA Project
>>>>>>>>>>> Administrator, the Fisk DNA Project
>>>>>>>>>>> Administrator, the alt-McDowell DNA Project
>>>>>>>>>>> Co-Administrator, the Cooley DNA Project
>>>>>>>>>>> Co-Administrator, the McDougall DNA Project
>>>>>>>>>>> Co-Administrator, the Pickens DNA Project
>>>>>>>>>>> Co-Administrator, the Strother DNA Project
>>>>>>>>>>> Instructor, the Osher Lifelong Learning Institute
>>>>>>>>>>> (OLLI)
>>>>>>>>>>> B.A. Humboldt State University, History
>>>>>>>>>>> =3D3D20
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>>>>>>>>>>> See http://johncooley.net/list for list
>>>>>>>>>>> information.=3D3D20 =3D3D20 --
>>>>>>>>>>> <a href=3D3D3D"http://newsummer.com/distlist">distlist
>>>>>>>>>>> 0.9b</a>
>>>>>>>>>>> See http://johncooley.net/list for list information.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> =3D20
>>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>>> <a href=3D3D"http://newsummer.com/distlist">distlist
>>>>>>>>>> 0.9b</a>
>>>>>>>>>> See http://johncooley.net/list for list
>>>>>>>>>> information.=3D20 =3D20
>>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>>> <a href=3D3D"http://newsummer.com/distlist">distlist
>>>>>>>>>> 0.9b</a>
>>>>>>>>>> See http://johncooley.net/list for list information.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> =20
>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>> <a href=3D"http://newsummer.com/distlist">distlist
>>>>>>>>> 0.9b</a>
>>>>>>>>> See http://johncooley.net/list for list information.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> =20
>>>>>>>> =20
>>>>>>>> --=20
>>>>>>>> VP, the Cooley Family Association of America
>>>>>>>> Administrator, the Akins DNA Project
>>>>>>>> Administrator, the Ashenhurst DNA Project
>>>>>>>> Administrator, the Bishop DNA Project
>>>>>>>> Administrator, the Eldridge DNA Project
>>>>>>>> Administrator, the Fisk DNA Project
>>>>>>>> Administrator, the alt-McDowell DNA Project
>>>>>>>> Co-Administrator, the Cooley DNA Project
>>>>>>>> Co-Administrator, the McDougall DNA Project
>>>>>>>> Co-Administrator, the Pickens DNA Project
>>>>>>>> Co-Administrator, the Strother DNA Project
>>>>>>>> Instructor, the Osher Lifelong Learning Institute (OLLI)
>>>>>>>> B.A. Humboldt State University, History
>>>>>>>> =20
>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>> <a href=3D"http://newsummer.com/distlist">distlist 0.9b</a>
>>>>>>>> See http://johncooley.net/list for list information.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>> <a href="http://newsummer.com/distlist">distlist 0.9b</a>
>>>>>>> See http://johncooley.net/list for list information.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> --
>>>>>> VP, the Cooley Family Association of America
>>>>>> Administrator, the Akins DNA Project
>>>>>> Administrator, the Ashenhurst DNA Project
>>>>>> Administrator, the Bishop DNA Project
>>>>>> Administrator, the Eldridge DNA Project
>>>>>> Administrator, the Fisk DNA Project
>>>>>> Administrator, the alt-McDowell DNA Project
>>>>>> Co-Administrator, the Cooley DNA Project
>>>>>> Co-Administrator, the McDougall DNA Project
>>>>>> Co-Administrator, the Pickens DNA Project
>>>>>> Co-Administrator, the Strother DNA Project
>>>>>> Instructor, the Osher Lifelong Learning Institute (OLLI)
>>>>>> B.A. Humboldt State University, History
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> --
>>>>>> <a href="http://newsummer.com/distlist">distlist 0.9b</a>
>>>>>> See http://johncooley.net/list for list information.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> VP, the Cooley Family Association of America
>>>> Administrator, the Akins DNA Project
>>>> Administrator, the Ashenhurst DNA Project
>>>> Administrator, the Bishop DNA Project
>>>> Administrator, the Eldridge DNA Project
>>>> Administrator, the Fisk DNA Project
>>>> Administrator, the alt-McDowell DNA Project
>>>> Co-Administrator, the Cooley DNA Project
>>>> Co-Administrator, the McDougall DNA Project
>>>> Co-Administrator, the Pickens DNA Project
>>>> Co-Administrator, the Strother DNA Project
>>>> Instructor, the Osher Lifelong Learning Institute (OLLI)
>>>> B.A. Humboldt State University, History
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> <a href="http://newsummer.com/distlist">distlist 0.9b</a>
>>>> See http://johncooley.net/list for list information.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> VP, the Cooley Family Association of America
>> Administrator, the Akins DNA Project
>> Administrator, the Ashenhurst DNA Project
>> Administrator, the Bishop DNA Project
>> Administrator, the Eldridge DNA Project
>> Administrator, the Fisk DNA Project
>> Administrator, the alt-McDowell DNA Project
>> Co-Administrator, the Cooley DNA Project
>> Co-Administrator, the McDougall DNA Project
>> Co-Administrator, the Pickens DNA Project
>> Co-Administrator, the Strother DNA Project
>> Instructor, the Osher Lifelong Learning Institute (OLLI)
>> B.A. Humboldt State University, History
>>
>>
>> --
>> <a href="http://newsummer.com/distlist">distlist 0.9b</a>
>> See http://johncooley.net/list for list information.
>>
>>
>
--
VP, the Cooley Family Association of America
Administrator, the Akins DNA Project
Administrator, the Ashenhurst DNA Project
Administrator, the Bishop DNA Project
Administrator, the Eldridge DNA Project
Administrator, the Fisk DNA Project
Administrator, the alt-McDowell DNA Project
Co-Administrator, the Cooley DNA Project
Co-Administrator, the McDougall DNA Project
Co-Administrator, the Pickens DNA Project
Co-Administrator, the Strother DNA Project
Instructor, the Osher Lifelong Learning Institute (OLLI)
B.A. Humboldt State University, History
Received on Mon Jun 23 2014 - 20:13:41 CDT