Sandy brought that up a couple of years ago. But she has 13 Mar 1889 as
the marriage date. I've out her down as possible wife of Perrin Jr because
Lucinda died in 1876, and Perrin was alive and a widower in 1880. I guess
it's not that unusual for him to have married again at that late a date. I
she was elderly too she too might have died by the 1900 census. Unless we
find local obits or burial records, we may never know more. It would be
something for you to look into while you're there.
-Michael
On Sun, June 22, 2014 2:41 pm, Julie wrote:
> I don't have any info for Emeline Sutton, but I do have a marriage record
> fo= r a Perrin (transcribed as Perrice) Cooley and an Eliza Rudolph in
> Kirksvill=
> e in 1849
>
>
> Do we know which Perrin that is? Seems like Perrin C just because of his
> lo= cation ( don't know if Jr often traveled that far north) but I'm not
> familia= r at all with Eliza Rudolph... Not even sure how I found that
> record.
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>
> On Jun 19, 2014, at 11:52 PM, "Mary Lou Cooley" <mlcooley_at_q.com> wrote:
>
>
>> Thank you for responding. I was wondering about the death date of abt
>> 186=
>>
> 4=20
>
>> for Emeline Sutton - where it might have come from. =20
>> Mary C.
>> =20
>> -----Original Message-----=20
>> From: Julie
>> Sent: Thursday, June 19, 2014 8:57 AM
>> To: John Cooley Mailing List
>> Subject: Re: Perrin C Cooley
>> =20
>> That tree Terrizaz is my mother's tree that I manage for her ( if there
>> ar=
> e=20
>> a=3D ny errors please let me know :) ) Joel and Nancy had some of the
>> pictures of the Cooleys, my mom and=20 grandpare=3D nts had the others,
>> so I know that Joel and I are cousins fairly close and=
> =20
>
>> t=3D hat much is right.=3D20 =20
>> =20
>> =20
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> =20
>> On Jun 17, 2014, at 10:28 AM, "Mary Lou Cooley" <mlcooley_at_q.com> wrote:
>> =20
>>
>>> Does anyone know who this tree belongs to? I saw on Ancestry.com=20
>>> yesterda=3D
>> y=3D20
>>> (before their website went down):
>>> =3D20
>>> Family Tree: Towner Family Tree
>>> Owner: terrizaz
>>> =3D20
>>> On this tree was a photo of Nellie Woods with her daughter Daisey
>>> Woods.=20=
>>>
>
>>> O=3D
>>>
>> n=3D20
>>> the back is written, "sister of Joseph Cooley" (I think it was
>>> Joseph=20
>>> C=3D20=3D
>>>
>> =20
>>
>>> Cooley but I can't get on Ancestry website to confirm). Nellie was
>>> born=20=
>
>>> 0=3D
>>>
>> 1=3D20
>>
>>> Feb 1859 in Holt Co., MO in this tree. I believe there was also a=20
>>> death=3D20=3D
>> =20
>>
>>> certificate for Nellie listing her father as Perrin Cooley but
>>> mother's=20=
>
>>> na=3D
>> me=3D20
>>> was unknown. Mother was listed on the website as Emeline Sutton.
>>> =3D20
>>> This is the 1900 census for Nellie:
>>> 1900 United States Federal Census
>>> Name: Nellie Woods
>>> Age: 43
>>> Birth Date: May 1857
>>> Birthplace: Indiana
>>> Home in 1900: St Joseph Ward 6, Buchanan, Missouri
>>> Race: White
>>> Gender: Female
>>> Relation to Head of House: Wife
>>> Marital Status: Married
>>> Spouse's Name: Francis Woods
>>> Marriage Year: 1875
>>> Years Married: 25
>>> Father's Birthplace: Indiana
>>> Mother's Birthplace: Indiana
>>> Mother: number of living children: 1
>>> Mother: How many children: 1
>>> Household Members: Name Age
>>> Francis Woods 54 (b. Indiana)
>>> Nellie Woods 43
>>> Daisey Woods 20 (b. Kansas)
>>> ~~~~~~
>>> Nellie married John Francis Woods b. Dec 1846 in IN (per 1900 census).
>>> =3D20
>>> Sorry, to be so vague but I didn't save photo before Ancestry
>>> website=20 went=3D
>> =3D20
>>
>>> down. =3D20
>>> Mary C.
>>> =3D20
>>> -----Original Message-----=3D20
>>> From: Michael Cooley
>>> Sent: Tuesday, June 17, 2014 2:25 AM
>>> To: John Cooley Mailing List
>>> Subject: Re: Perrin C Cooley
>>> =3D20
>>> Yeah, that's how I've had it on my "Y page" for years. In 1810,
>>> Perrin=20=
>>>
>
>>> had=3D
>> =20
>>
>>> four sons--and Perrin Jr hadn't even yet been born (if we can believe
>>> the=
>
>>> date, c1813, that we have for him). William was born c1804. John
>>> wouldn't=
>
>>> have been born much later--likely earlier. There may have been two
>>> births=
>
>>> c1799-1802. A thought here. Old genealogies give the birth of your=20
>>> James's=3D
>>>
>> =20
>>
>>> son John H Cooley as 1802. For a number of reasons, I don't think it
>>> was right, just as I think James's James's birthdate was wrongly given
>>> as (I think) 1796/7 (I'd have to look at old emails.) Perhaps the
>>> evidence attributed to James's James and John H were for Perrin's
>>> children. In other words, it may have been Perrin's John that was born
>>> in 1802. If true, that does leave a good window for the the birth of
>>> another son. But=
>
>>> if James had a second deceased brother other than John, why didn't
>>> also make provisions for his children in his estate, as he did with
>>> John's
>>> heirs? =3D20
>>> It's also possible that Perrin C and/or the John Cooley (m
>>> Treadwell)=20
>>> were=3D
>> =20
>>
>>> unacknowledged sons of either Perrin Sr or his son John. In 1840,
>>> Perrin=20=
>>>
>
>>> C=3D
>>>
>> =20
>>
>>> was likely living with Perrin Jr, and John (m Treadwell) may have
>>> been=20=
>
>>> the=3D
>> =20
>>
>>> boy of about the right age to be living with Perrin Sr. =3D20
>>> The possibilities boggle the mind. But the DNA data is helping to
>>> point the way. I'm still hoping for a "magic SNP". :) =3D20
>>> Somewhere in my 1991 and 1992 correspondence with Jo White Linn, she
>>> said=
>
>>> that Perrin was an important name in Virginia. I've tried following
>>> through with the notion a few times but really found nothing. =3D20
>>> -Michael
>>> =3D20
>>> =3D20
>>> On Tue, June 17, 2014 1:35 am, lvcooley5 wrote:
>>>
>>>> Though there have been stranger scenarios, it seems most likely
>>>> that Perrin C. is the son of a deceased son of Perrin Sr. The 1800
>>>> Stokes
>>>> Census lists 2 males under 10, which would have been James (1797)
>>>> and, presumably, Perrin C's father (let's call him Joseph?) =3D20
>>>> Are there any unaccounted-for Missouri marriages circa 1820?
>>>> =3D20
>>>> =3D20
>>>> PS Has anyone ever mentioned before that there is an unincorporated
>>>> town in Gloucester County, Virginia, called Perrin? It's due east
>>>> of=3D=
> 20
>
>>>> Hayes
>>>> in the area that also includes the Perrin River. There was a
>>>> prominent Perrin family there pre-1700 but so far I haven't found
>>>> any gold. =3D20
>>>> Jim
>>>> =3D20
>>>> =3D20
>>>> =3D20
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: Michael Cooley
>>>> Sent: Saturday, June 14, 2014 5:48 PM
>>>> To: John Cooley Mailing List
>>>> Subject: Perrin C Cooley
>>>> =3D20
>>>> =3D20
>>>> The parentage of Perrin C Cooley has been one of the group's
>>>> enduring mysteries. The name Perrin, his birth in Missouri, and his
>>>> descendants'=20=
>
>>>> Y=3D
>>>>
>> =20
>>
>>>> DNA make it certain that he is one of ours.
>>>> =3D20
>>>> =3D20
>>>> We know from Gloria's discovery of the probate record of Perrin
>>>> Sr's=20
>>>> son,=3D
>> =20
>>
>>>> James, had brothers John (m Martha Bearden) and Perrin. Of course,
>>>> most of us assumed that Perrin was Perrin Jr--and that may be true.
>>>> =3D20
>>>> Then Gloria made another discovery a few months ago--that her
>>>> autosomes have a matching segment to Jack Cooley, Perrin C's
>>>> descendant. The predicted relationship is 4th to 5th cousins. Here's
>>>> a page I put together at that time: =3D20
>>>> http://ancestraldata.com/staging/N70352-autosomes.html
>>>> =3D20
>>>> =3D20
>>>> The first question that needed be settled was whether the match
>>>> indeed came down through the Cooleys. That's been largely resolved.
>>>> Gloria's
>>>> mother, a Cooley descendant, has tested. Her results exhibit the
>>>> same markers that Gloria has. That greatly increases the likelihood
>>>> that the match comes down through a Cooley common ancestor. =3D20
>>>> But the match, as I explain in this paragraph, reveal nothing more
>>>> about=
>
>>>> the degree of relationship with Jack. Typically, a child is going
>>>> to inherit a smaller portion (if any at all) of the matching
>>>> segment. (The genome needs to make room for a host of new ancestral
>>>> DNA derived from
>>>> the second parent.) For example, my dad's autosomes have a
>>>> reasonably large match to Jack's uncle. I inherited less than a
>>>> third of it.=20 However=3D
>>>>
>> ,
>>
>>>> Gloria inherited virtually all of her mother's matching segment,
>>>> which (I
>>>> would think) is typically within the range of common possibilities.
>>>> The
>>>> upshot of that is that the predicted relation between Gloria's
>>>> mother=20=
>
>>>> and=3D
>> =20
>>
>>>> Jack is pretty much the same as that for Gloria and Jack.
>>>> =3D20
>>>> =3D20
>>>> In playing around with the results, I can tweak the parameters of
>>>> the online tools I use and search for very small matching segments
>>>> which, individually, are quite trivial. However, Gloria has only
>>>> about one=20 third=3D
>> =20
>>
>>>> of those matches to Jack then her mother does. I'm my no means an
>>>> expert=
>
>>>> in autosomal DNA, but there might be something there that can hep
>>>> us fine-tune the relationship prediction. =3D20
>>>> For now, we're still left with the dilemma: who was Perrin C's
>>>> father.=20=
>
>>>> If=3D
>>>>
>> =20
>>
>>>> we can determine the degree of relationship, we might be able to
>>>> answer that question. I've started a project to help us examine the
>>>> autosomes=20=
>
>>>> of=3D
>> =20
>>
>>>> John's descendants. If any of you have tested, please consider
>>>> joining by sending me an email. =3D20
>>>> http://johncooley.net/johnsauto/
>>>> =3D20
>>>> =3D20
>>>> I'm still of the opinion that Perrin might have had a fifth as of
>>>> yet identified son. The 1800 and 1810 census records suggest at the
>>>> possibility. The 1840 census for "Derrin" Cooley of Randolph
>>>> County, MO
>>>> has two men 20-29. One would have been Perrin Jr. Could the other be
>>>> Perrin C, who would have been 20 that year? The census entries
>>>> for=20 Perrin=3D
>>>>
>> =20
>>
>>>> Sr includes a boy 10-14. Was he a grandson? If so, could he have
>>>> been the son of this missing 5th son of Perrin's? We know that John
>>>> Cooley
>>>> (1827-1900+) m Sarah Ann Treadwell was born in Missouri. Is this
>>>> him? If=
>
>>>> so, might he and Perrin C have been brothers? I'm on the hunt for a
>>>> Y
>>>> descendant of John's. =3D20
>>>> http://ancestraldata.com/ahnentafel/256/1840-MO.html
>>>> =3D20
>>>> =3D20
>>>> BTW, we've found a tester in the Cooley/Hardin line.
>>>> =3D20
>>>> =3D20
>>>> -Michael
>>>> =3D20
>>>> =3D20
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>>> =3D20
>>> =3D20
>>> --=3D20
>>> VP, the Cooley Family Association of America
>>> Administrator, the Akins DNA Project
>>> Administrator, the Ashenhurst DNA Project
>>> Administrator, the Bishop DNA Project
>>> Administrator, the Eldridge DNA Project
>>> Administrator, the Fisk DNA Project
>>> Administrator, the alt-McDowell DNA Project
>>> Co-Administrator, the Cooley DNA Project
>>> Co-Administrator, the McDougall DNA Project
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Administrator, the Akins DNA Project
Administrator, the Ashenhurst DNA Project
Administrator, the Bishop DNA Project
Administrator, the Eldridge DNA Project
Administrator, the Fisk DNA Project
Administrator, the alt-McDowell DNA Project
Co-Administrator, the Cooley DNA Project
Co-Administrator, the McDougall DNA Project
Co-Administrator, the Pickens DNA Project
Co-Administrator, the Strother DNA Project
Instructor, the Osher Lifelong Learning Institute (OLLI)
B.A. Humboldt State University, History
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