Ok.
-----Original Message-----
From: Michael Cooley
Sent: Tuesday, March 04, 2014 12:53 AM
To: John Cooley Mailing List
Subject: Re: 1810 PA redux
Sure, Mary. I'd be happy to receive anything. But to be clear, my interest
isn't so much with the descendants of WHC, but with his possible
connection to us--in other words, his parents, ancestors, siblings, etc.
It would be worth looking for a Coley/Vincent descendant to DNA-test. I've
been surprised by results more than once. Indeed, the solution to this
problem will probably come from an unsuspected source.
-Michael
> I don't remember right now - r.e. William who married Mary Vincent.
>
> But on another note...I was just looking at information that I was
> collecting at that time - and I found this:
>
>
> Pennsylvania, Land Warrants, 1733-1987
> Name: Henry Cooley
> Acreage: 400
> Warrant Date: 27 Apr 1792
> Warrant Location: Northumberland
>
>
> Pennsylvania, Septennial Census, 1779-1863
> Name: Henry Cooley
> Residence Year: 1793
> Residence Place: Hamiltonbann, York, Pennsylvania
>
> I have a lot of notes that I collected on William Henry Cooley (m. Sophia
> Havens). I can send them to you, Michael, if you want them.
>
> Mary C.
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Michael Cooley
> Sent: Monday, March 03, 2014 1:49 PM
> To: John Cooley Mailing List
> Subject: Re: 1810 PA redux
>
> We certainly did go down this path before. I had uploaded William Coley's
> pension to ancestraldata.com/photos-other/256/willimcoleypension.pdf. Mary
> found a lot about him in NY. It's not clear to me while going over this
> just now that we determined whether William who married Mary Vincent was
> actually his son. What did we conclude?
>
> William, it seems, came to NY from England during the Revolution. It seems
> he never went into PA or OH, but his sons could have.
>
> -Michael
>
>> And I see this. Yes, this is what I found last night.
>>
>> http://ancestraldata.com/listarchive/johncooleylist/current/1150.html
>>
>> The one additional point I'd make is that "Mary Cooley" is clearly
>> misindexed. The first "o" in the record itself was clearly blacked out.
>>
>> -Michael
>>
>>> I see this, Mary...
>>>
>>> --quote--
>>> From: Mary Lou Cooley <mlcooley_at_q.com>
>>> Date: Sat, 25 Aug 2012 13:38:20 -0700
>>>
>>> Several family trees on Ancestry.com list William Henry Cooley's
>>> parents
>>> as
>>> William & Mary Cooley...William is listed as born 1750 in Ohio & dying
>>> there
>>> 1800. They list William Henry Cooley's birthplace as Somerset,
>>> Pennsylvania.
>>>
>>> Mary Cooley
>>> --quote--
>>>
>>> First, I *think* that it was shown that the Somerset Co PA Cooleys were
>>> of
>>> the Benjamin clan.
>>>
>>> Also, it seems clear that William H Coley and Mary Vincent had a son
>>> William H Coley who was born in 1788 possibly Ohio, not William H
>>> Cooley
>>> born in PA in 1797, which is the person we're looking for.
>>>
>>> That does not mean, however, that they were not related but, I'd say,
>>> William H Cooley (1788-c1819) was not William H Cooley (1797-1877).
>>> Therefore, WHC's parents could not have been William and Mary--not this
>>> Wm
>>> and Mary, anyway.
>>>
>>> But, if we come to the opinion that the two families were closely
>>> related,
>>> then we can look for someone of the Coley line to DNA-test.
>>>
>>> -Michael
>>>
>>>
>>>> I recall that but I didn't remember a discussion about the Coleys (as
>>>> opposed to the Cooleys) or Cooleys of Northumberland Co PA. I'll look.
>>>>
>>>> -Michael
>>>>
>>>>> I sent information on The William H Cooley's families to the list in
>>>>> 2012.
>>>>> Have you already searched the list archives? I have some of the
>>>>> messages
>>>>> saved in my e-mail program.
>>>>>
>>>>> Mary C.
>>>>>
>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>> From: Michael Cooley
>>>>> Sent: Sunday, March 02, 2014 11:54 PM
>>>>> To: John Cooley Mailing List
>>>>> Subject: Re: 1810 PA redux
>>>>>
>>>>> A correction and some additions...
>>>>>
>>>>> Northumberland County is, of course *east* of center of the state.
>>>>>
>>>>> I meant to add that Gideon Cooley is a known descendant of Benjamin
>>>>> Cooley
>>>>> of Massachusetts.
>>>>>
>>>>> I accidentally cleared something up about "Mary Cooley" listed on the
>>>>> 1820
>>>>> census of Washington County, OH:
>>>>>
>>>>> There's a marriage there in 1812 between William H Coley and Mary
>>>>> Vincent.
>>>>> Considering the similarity of names with "our" William H, I thought
>>>>> I'd
>>>>> look closer. The only Cooley listed on the 1820 census for the county
>>>>> is
>>>>> for Mary Cooley and her family, living next to Ama Vincent. Then I
>>>>> saw
>>>>> that the first "o" was blacked out, making her Coley. A quick google
>>>>> reveals that her's is a known family. Her husband, William H Coley,
>>>>> was
>>>>> born 1788, apparently in Washington County, to William H Coley
>>>>> (1758-1843)
>>>>> and Sybil Harrison. William Sr was born in England.
>>>>>
>>>>> It seems this family had mostly girls for generations. I'm not sure
>>>>> that
>>>>> it's worth pursuing, but this is what I find for Y descendants:
>>>>>
>>>>> William H Coley (1858-1843) m Sybil Harrison
>>>>> ..William H Coley (1788-) m Mary Vincent
>>>>> ....George Vincent Coley (1819-1896) m Laura Emmeline Sherman
>>>>> ......Amos E Coley (1853-1939) m Mary E Beckett
>>>>> ........Caryl E Coley (1880-1964) m Dena Coley
>>>>> ..........George Vincent Coley (1906-) m Wilma Glover
>>>>> ..........Amos Walter Coley (1908-) m Virginia E Glenn
>>>>> ........Amos Coley (1883-)
>>>>> ......George William Coley (1862-) m Viola Beckett
>>>>> ........Robert S Coley (1889-) m Hallie Burgess
>>>>> ..........Robert Coley (1911-)
>>>>> ..........possibly other sons
>>>>>
>>>>> So, if we really needed it, we might be able to mine for some Y-DNA.
>>>>> But
>>>>> it seems that William H Coley and William H Cooley were careful to
>>>>> distinguish between the families. It's a keeper for notes, though.
>>>>>
>>>>> -Michael
>>>>>
>>>>>> I previously wrote that if William Henry Cooley (m Sophia Havens)
>>>>>> and
>>>>>> James Cooley of Jack County TX were indeed brothers (their
>>>>>> descendants'
>>>>>> Y-DNA matches one another and ours) *and* that they were enumerated
>>>>>> on
>>>>>> the
>>>>>> 1810 census for Pennsylvania (as opposed to being missed), they
>>>>>> could
>>>>>> have
>>>>>> belonged to one of three families:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Jacob Cooley of Luzerne County
>>>>>> Amos Cooley of Lycoming County
>>>>>> A Cooley of Northumberland
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I've just noticed that Amos was too young to have been the father of
>>>>>> William. He's out.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Another researcher is descended from a James Cooley (c1802) of PA, m
>>>>>> Mary
>>>>>> Sanford. James and his presumed brother, Jacob, went to Canada then
>>>>>> to
>>>>>> Michigan. A descendant of James's matches the Benjamin Clan's Y
>>>>>> chromosome. Jacob of Luzerne County appears to have died by 1820.
>>>>>> The
>>>>>> researcher believes that he may have been the son of Gideon who died
>>>>>> in
>>>>>> Ontario in 1793. After spending a couple of hours looking at the
>>>>>> data,
>>>>>> I
>>>>>> think he may be onto something.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> So, assuming that the 1810 census entries for the Cooleys are
>>>>>> complete
>>>>>> and
>>>>>> accurate (and they probably are not!), and having sorted out a
>>>>>> number
>>>>>> of
>>>>>> the families through DNA, and assuming that the speculation about
>>>>>> Jacob
>>>>>> is
>>>>>> accurate, that leaves "A Cooley" of Northumberland County PA, which
>>>>>> is
>>>>>> located just west of the center of the state.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> "A." Cooley's household had only two young males, 0-9 and 10-15,
>>>>>> which
>>>>>> fits exactly to James and William H. There's one woman of sufficient
>>>>>> age
>>>>>> to have been A's wife, and four females who might have been
>>>>>> daughters.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I've never had success looking for Cooleys in Northumberland County,
>>>>>> but
>>>>>> it seems to be as good a place as any to search for Wm H's and
>>>>>> James's
>>>>>> elusive parents.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> -Michael
>>>>>>
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>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>
>
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