Re: COOLE listed among Manx Surnames

From: Michael Cooley <>
Date: Mon, 9 Jan 2012 12:02:04 -0800

Thanks! It may be worth keeping a list of any R1a1a to see if any pattern

The other Cooleys I have on the Y page are to show contrasts, not
similarities--except, sort of, of course, the R1a1-2b.

Yeah, it's one of those BIG questions. The simple answer, I guess, is that
those guys who are most successful at spreading around their Y chromosome
are those who will likely have the most successful progeny. But that gets
into all kinds of murky areas not related to our discussion. :) Of course,
Charlemagne and clan were successful but there are no known representative
Y's for them. Genghis Khan and Somerled are different stories, of course.


> Here's the link:
> Upon closer examination, maybe not a REAL close match, but certainly
> closer than some of the
> other Cooleys you've rounded up.
> I tried to find the answer to that last question but I'm striking out.
> How many mom and pop stores
> die for every Walmart?
> Jim
> On 1/8/2012 10:02 PM, Michael Cooley wrote:
>> Thanks for the link, Jim. I'll watch it tomorrow. I love BBC
>> documentaries. There's a good one called "Britain AD" renamed "The Age
>> of
>> Arthur" for American audiences.
>> Do you have a link for these results? I can't find the Isle of Man
>> project.
>> The results I have on the Y page are the only R1a1-2b results I've seen
>> other than ours. Our common ancestor to this man might go back 2000
>> years
>> or so.
>> It just occurred to me that even if our John's grandfather had Y
>> grandsons
>> other than John, they might not have living patrilineal descendants. In
>> the scheme of things, it's a rare thing that our Y's share a common
>> ancestor born 275 year ago and is of a line that stretches back to the
>> beginnings of the human race. I wonder how many Y lineages die for each
>> one that survives?
>> -Michael
>>> I was thinking R1a1 (or even R1a1a) but I typed R1a for the general
>>> antagonist to R1b. Plus the
>>> article I was looking at just had R1a, with the implied Scandinavian
>>> roots.
>>> I also found a fairly close match at ftdna under the Isle of Man
>>> project, kit no. 188790, with a
>>> surname KEIG, an R1a1a tracing back to 1730.
>>> This was the first time I've noticed the COOLE surname within the
>>> British Isles, and with the Isle
>>> of Man situated in the Irish Sea, sort of midway between the Irish
>>> Cooley Peninsula and Scotland,
>>> well, I got a little excited.
>>> Check this out when you get a chance, right around the 6 minute mark:
>>> Jim
>>> On 1/8/2012 7:22 PM, Michael Cooley wrote:
>>>> I haven't looked deeply into it. The connection is so ancient that it
>>>> can
>>>> tell us, I believe, only about the general sweep of the group.
>>>> I did, however, find a fairly close matching r1a1-b2. I have his
>>>> results
>>>> listed in the last column at
>>>> . It's been awhile
>>>> since
>>>> I've corresponded to him. He's not a Cooley and, if I recall
>>>> correctly,
>>>> he
>>>> was born on the eastern coast of England, perhaps Sussex. I think
>>>> there
>>>> was an adoption involved in his line, too. We were unable to take our
>>>> correspondence very far.
>>>> BTW, I don't think it's R1a that's Nordic. That haplogroup is even
>>>> found
>>>> in India. But I think R1a1 is.
>>>> -Michael
>>>>> Was wondering if anyone had gone down this road yet. The common
>>>>> family
>>>>> name COOLE comes up in a number of searches for the Isle of Man and
>>>>> subsequent yDNA projects. I've only just skimmed this subject but at
>>>>> least one study has shown an incidence of around a third of the Manx
>>>>> men
>>>>> tested with an R1a (Norse) origin. Any thoughts?
>>>>> Jim
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