Ditto for a speedy recovery. Take care of that RCA!
Mary C.
From: Cooley
Sent: Sunday, June 22, 2014 11:45 AM
To: John Cooley Mailing List
Subject: Re: Perrin C Cooley
I wish you a speedy recovery Michael! You do more in a hospital room than most of us do in the comfort of our homes.
Regarding the man who claims to be a descendant of Daniel Cooley and Mildred Ball. I'll bet that he is NOT a descendant of our John Cooley (~1737 to ~ 1811), because his YCAII is 19-23 not our 19-21. That almost always means a non-Scandinavian origin, but instead a Eastern European origin. My guess is that he is NOT R1a-L448. I'd pay for a L448 SNP test if you can't get him to take it on his own.
-Don
On Sat, Jun 21, 2014 at 3:54 PM, lvcooley5 <lvcooley5_at_cox.net> wrote:
Jno/John T. Perrin and family are also on the 1870 Census living next to
Joseph King whose
household includes 4 year old Nimrod Cooly. A family tree on A.com traces
Jno back
to John Perrin (1690-1752) of Gloucester Co. Virginia. Could just be a
coincidence that he
ends up living next to Perrin Cooley in 1860 but I'm intrigued.
Jim
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From: Mary Lou Cooley
Sent: Friday, June 20, 2014 11:22 AM
To: John Cooley Mailing List
Subject: Re: Perrin C Cooley
Please remind me who the John Cooley is next door to Perrin & Lucinda Cooley
on the 1850 census - John (48 NC) & Milly P. (30 KY) Cooley.
Also - Next door to Perrin Cooley on the 1860 census is Jno T. (33 KY),
Margaret (29 MO), Christopher (11 MO) & Thomas (3 MO) Perrin. Last name
appears to be "Rerrin" but it is written exactly like "Perrin" (Perrin
Cooley) next door.
Mary C.
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From: lvcooley5
Sent: Monday, June 16, 2014 11:35 PM
To: John Cooley Mailing List
Subject: Re: Perrin C Cooley
Though there have been stranger scenarios, it seems most likely that
Perrin C. is the son of a deceased son of Perrin Sr. The 1800 Stokes
Census lists 2 males under 10, which would have been James (1797)
and, presumably, Perrin C's father (let's call him Joseph?)
Are there any unaccounted-for Missouri marriages circa 1820?
PS Has anyone ever mentioned before that there is an unincorporated
town in Gloucester County, Virginia, called Perrin? It's due east of
Hayes in the area that also includes the Perrin River. There was a
prominent Perrin family there pre-1700 but so far I haven't found
any gold.
Jim
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From: Michael Cooley
Sent: Saturday, June 14, 2014 5:48 PM
To: John Cooley Mailing List
Subject: Perrin C Cooley
The parentage of Perrin C Cooley has been one of the group's enduring
mysteries. The name Perrin, his birth in Missouri, and his descendants' Y
DNA make it certain that he is one of ours.
We know from Gloria's discovery of the probate record of Perrin Sr's son,
James, had brothers John (m Martha Bearden) and Perrin. Of course, most of
us assumed that Perrin was Perrin Jr--and that may be true.
Then Gloria made another discovery a few months ago--that her autosomes
have a matching segment to Jack Cooley, Perrin C's descendant. The
predicted relationship is 4th to 5th cousins. Here's a page I put together
at that time:
http://ancestraldata.com/staging/N70352-autosomes.html
The first question that needed be settled was whether the match indeed
came down through the Cooleys. That's been largely resolved. Gloria's
mother, a Cooley descendant, has tested. Her results exhibit the same
markers that Gloria has. That greatly increases the likelihood that the
match comes down through a Cooley common ancestor.
But the match, as I explain in this paragraph, reveal nothing more about
the degree of relationship with Jack. Typically, a child is going to
inherit a smaller portion (if any at all) of the matching segment. (The
genome needs to make room for a host of new ancestral DNA derived from the
second parent.) For example, my dad's autosomes have a reasonably large
match to Jack's uncle. I inherited less than a third of it. However,
Gloria inherited virtually all of her mother's matching segment, which (I
would think) is typically within the range of common possibilities. The
upshot of that is that the predicted relation between Gloria's mother and
Jack is pretty much the same as that for Gloria and Jack.
In playing around with the results, I can tweak the parameters of the
online tools I use and search for very small matching segments which,
individually, are quite trivial. However, Gloria has only about one third
of those matches to Jack then her mother does. I'm my no means an expert
in autosomal DNA, but there might be something there that can hep us
fine-tune the relationship prediction.
For now, we're still left with the dilemma: who was Perrin C's father. If
we can determine the degree of relationship, we might be able to answer
that question. I've started a project to help us examine the autosomes of
John's descendants. If any of you have tested, please consider joining by
sending me an email.
http://johncooley.net/johnsauto/
I'm still of the opinion that Perrin might have had a fifth as of yet
identified son. The 1800 and 1810 census records suggest at the
possibility. The 1840 census for "Derrin" Cooley of Randolph County, MO
has two men 20-29. One would have been Perrin Jr. Could the other be
Perrin C, who would have been 20 that year? The census entries for Perrin
Sr includes a boy 10-14. Was he a grandson? If so, could he have been the
son of this missing 5th son of Perrin's? We know that John Cooley
(1827-1900+) m Sarah Ann Treadwell was born in Missouri. Is this him? If
so, might he and Perrin C have been brothers? I'm on the hunt for a Y
descendant of John's.
http://ancestraldata.com/ahnentafel/256/1840-MO.html
BTW, we've found a tester in the Cooley/Hardin line.
-Michael
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