We might have discussed this Jonathan Perrin before and likely marked it
up to coincidence. But now that we have so much more sorted out then we
did even three or four years ago, it might be worth tugging at this thread
a bit. I see he was born in Kentucky c1827.
You may recall that we now know that Nimrod was descended from James
(Nimrod, Thomas, Issac--note that he had a daughter Harriet, James).
Nimrod's mother was Mary Ellen Truett. Joseph King may have been her
second husband--possibly recently married.
-Michael
On Sat, June 21, 2014 5:54 pm, lvcooley5 wrote:
> Jno/John T. Perrin and family are also on the 1870 Census living next to
> Joseph King whose
> household includes 4 year old Nimrod Cooly. A family tree on A.com traces
> Jno back
> to John Perrin (1690-1752) of Gloucester Co. Virginia. Could just be a
> coincidence that he ends up living next to Perrin Cooley in 1860 but I'm
> intrigued.
>
> Jim
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Mary Lou Cooley
> Sent: Friday, June 20, 2014 11:22 AM
> To: John Cooley Mailing List
> Subject: Re: Perrin C Cooley
>
>
> Please remind me who the John Cooley is next door to Perrin & Lucinda
> Cooley
> on the 1850 census - John (48 NC) & Milly P. (30 KY) Cooley.
>
> Also - Next door to Perrin Cooley on the 1860 census is Jno T. (33 KY),
> Margaret (29 MO), Christopher (11 MO) & Thomas (3 MO) Perrin. Last name
> appears to be "Rerrin" but it is written exactly like "Perrin" (Perrin
> Cooley) next door.
>
>
> Mary C.
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: lvcooley5
> Sent: Monday, June 16, 2014 11:35 PM
> To: John Cooley Mailing List
> Subject: Re: Perrin C Cooley
>
>
> Though there have been stranger scenarios, it seems most likely that
> Perrin C. is the son of a deceased son of Perrin Sr. The 1800 Stokes
> Census lists 2 males under 10, which would have been James (1797)
> and, presumably, Perrin C's father (let's call him Joseph?)
>
> Are there any unaccounted-for Missouri marriages circa 1820?
>
>
> PS Has anyone ever mentioned before that there is an unincorporated
> town in Gloucester County, Virginia, called Perrin? It's due east of Hayes
> in the area that also includes the Perrin River. There was a prominent
> Perrin family there pre-1700 but so far I haven't found
> any gold.
>
> Jim
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Michael Cooley
> Sent: Saturday, June 14, 2014 5:48 PM
> To: John Cooley Mailing List
> Subject: Perrin C Cooley
>
>
> The parentage of Perrin C Cooley has been one of the group's enduring
> mysteries. The name Perrin, his birth in Missouri, and his descendants' Y
> DNA make it certain that he is one of ours.
>
>
> We know from Gloria's discovery of the probate record of Perrin Sr's son,
> James, had brothers John (m Martha Bearden) and Perrin. Of course, most
> of us assumed that Perrin was Perrin Jr--and that may be true.
>
> Then Gloria made another discovery a few months ago--that her autosomes
> have a matching segment to Jack Cooley, Perrin C's descendant. The
> predicted relationship is 4th to 5th cousins. Here's a page I put
> together at that time:
>
> http://ancestraldata.com/staging/N70352-autosomes.html
>
>
> The first question that needed be settled was whether the match indeed
> came down through the Cooleys. That's been largely resolved. Gloria's
> mother, a Cooley descendant, has tested. Her results exhibit the same
> markers that Gloria has. That greatly increases the likelihood that the
> match comes down through a Cooley common ancestor.
>
> But the match, as I explain in this paragraph, reveal nothing more about
> the degree of relationship with Jack. Typically, a child is going to
> inherit a smaller portion (if any at all) of the matching segment. (The
> genome needs to make room for a host of new ancestral DNA derived from
> the second parent.) For example, my dad's autosomes have a reasonably
> large match to Jack's uncle. I inherited less than a third of it. However,
> Gloria inherited virtually all of her mother's matching segment, which
> (I
> would think) is typically within the range of common possibilities. The
> upshot of that is that the predicted relation between Gloria's mother and
> Jack is pretty much the same as that for Gloria and Jack.
>
>
> In playing around with the results, I can tweak the parameters of the
> online tools I use and search for very small matching segments which,
> individually, are quite trivial. However, Gloria has only about one third
> of those matches to Jack then her mother does. I'm my no means an expert
> in autosomal DNA, but there might be something there that can hep us
> fine-tune the relationship prediction.
>
> For now, we're still left with the dilemma: who was Perrin C's father. If
> we can determine the degree of relationship, we might be able to answer
> that question. I've started a project to help us examine the autosomes of
> John's descendants. If any of you have tested, please consider joining
> by sending me an email.
>
> http://johncooley.net/johnsauto/
>
>
> I'm still of the opinion that Perrin might have had a fifth as of yet
> identified son. The 1800 and 1810 census records suggest at the
> possibility. The 1840 census for "Derrin" Cooley of Randolph County, MO
> has two men 20-29. One would have been Perrin Jr. Could the other be
> Perrin C, who would have been 20 that year? The census entries for Perrin
> Sr includes a boy 10-14. Was he a grandson? If so, could he have been
> the son of this missing 5th son of Perrin's? We know that John Cooley
> (1827-1900+) m Sarah Ann Treadwell was born in Missouri. Is this him? If
> so, might he and Perrin C have been brothers? I'm on the hunt for a Y
> descendant of John's.
>
> http://ancestraldata.com/ahnentafel/256/1840-MO.html
>
>
> BTW, we've found a tester in the Cooley/Hardin line.
>
>
> -Michael
>
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