Thank you.
I don't have any information on Harriet b. ~1846 but had wondered if this
was actually Nellie who would have been 4-5 months old. And why Perrin was
Perrin Cooley, Jr in 1849.
I am not home currently either. My Mother's funeral service is today in
Hood River, OR. I look forward to hearing from you when we are all back
home.
Mary C.
-----Original Message-----
From: Julie
Sent: Friday, June 20, 2014 11:25 PM
To: John Cooley Mailing List
Subject: Re: Perrin C Cooley
Ill be home tomorrow and take a look at it and see if I can find where it
ca=
me from. It's been a while since I added anyone to Perrin's tree so I can't
r=
ecall offhand. His wives confuse me as it is.
I do know its Perrin C in LaPlata ( probably laplatte misspelled) LaPlata
is=
only about 20 miles or so from Macon Missouri,iirc, and Macon County is ne=
ighboring Randolph County. =20
By an odd coincidence I lived in Macon for a few years. I had hoped being
s=
o close I would be able to discover new information, but all of the
original=
records I found there were already available online.
Jackson would probably be our best bet as its the capital for record info
on=
the Missouri branches of the Cooleys.
If I remember correctly, some of the census records put Perrin born in
Kentu=
cky. Though I believe the later ones say Mo.
Sent from my iPhone
On Jun 19, 2014, at 11:52 PM, "Mary Lou Cooley" <mlcooley_at_q.com> wrote:
> Thank you for responding. I was wondering about the death date of abt
> 186=
4=20
> for Emeline Sutton - where it might have come from.
>=20
> Mary C.
>=20
> -----Original Message-----=20
> From: Julie
> Sent: Thursday, June 19, 2014 8:57 AM
> To: John Cooley Mailing List
> Subject: Re: Perrin C Cooley
>=20
> That tree Terrizaz is my mother's tree that I manage for her ( if there
> ar=
e=20
> a=3D
> ny errors please let me know :) )
> Joel and Nancy had some of the pictures of the Cooleys, my mom and=20
> grandpare=3D
> nts had the others, so I know that Joel and I are cousins fairly close
> and=
=20
> t=3D
> hat much is right.=3D20
>=20
>=20
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> Sent from my iPhone
>=20
> On Jun 17, 2014, at 10:28 AM, "Mary Lou Cooley" <mlcooley_at_q.com> wrote:
>=20
>> Does anyone know who this tree belongs to? I saw on Ancestry.com=20
>> yesterda=3D
> y=3D20
>> (before their website went down):
>> =3D20
>> Family Tree: Towner Family Tree
>> Owner: terrizaz
>> =3D20
>> On this tree was a photo of Nellie Woods with her daughter Daisey
>> Woods.=20=
>> O=3D
> n=3D20
>> the back is written, "sister of Joseph Cooley" (I think it was Joseph=20
>> C=3D20=3D
>=20
>> Cooley but I can't get on Ancestry website to confirm). Nellie was
>> born=20=
>> 0=3D
> 1=3D20
>> Feb 1859 in Holt Co., MO in this tree. I believe there was also a=20
>> death=3D20=3D
>=20
>> certificate for Nellie listing her father as Perrin Cooley but
>> mother's=20=
>> na=3D
> me=3D20
>> was unknown. Mother was listed on the website as Emeline Sutton.
>> =3D20
>> This is the 1900 census for Nellie:
>> 1900 United States Federal Census
>> Name: Nellie Woods
>> Age: 43
>> Birth Date: May 1857
>> Birthplace: Indiana
>> Home in 1900: St Joseph Ward 6, Buchanan, Missouri
>> Race: White
>> Gender: Female
>> Relation to Head of House: Wife
>> Marital Status: Married
>> Spouse's Name: Francis Woods
>> Marriage Year: 1875
>> Years Married: 25
>> Father's Birthplace: Indiana
>> Mother's Birthplace: Indiana
>> Mother: number of living children: 1
>> Mother: How many children: 1
>> Household Members: Name Age
>> Francis Woods 54 (b. Indiana)
>> Nellie Woods 43
>> Daisey Woods 20 (b. Kansas)
>> ~~~~~~
>> Nellie married John Francis Woods b. Dec 1846 in IN (per 1900 census).
>> =3D20
>> Sorry, to be so vague but I didn't save photo before Ancestry website=20
>> went=3D
> =3D20
>> down.
>> =3D20
>> Mary C.
>> =3D20
>> -----Original Message-----=3D20
>> From: Michael Cooley
>> Sent: Tuesday, June 17, 2014 2:25 AM
>> To: John Cooley Mailing List
>> Subject: Re: Perrin C Cooley
>> =3D20
>> Yeah, that's how I've had it on my "Y page" for years. In 1810,
>> Perrin=20=
>> had=3D
>=20
>> four sons--and Perrin Jr hadn't even yet been born (if we can believe
>> the=
>> date, c1813, that we have for him). William was born c1804. John
>> wouldn't=
>> have been born much later--likely earlier. There may have been two
>> births=
>> c1799-1802. A thought here. Old genealogies give the birth of your=20
>> James's=3D
>=20
>> son John H Cooley as 1802. For a number of reasons, I don't think it was
>> right, just as I think James's James's birthdate was wrongly given as (I
>> think) 1796/7 (I'd have to look at old emails.) Perhaps the evidence
>> attributed to James's James and John H were for Perrin's children. In
>> other words, it may have been Perrin's John that was born in 1802. If
>> true, that does leave a good window for the the birth of another son.
>> But=
>> if James had a second deceased brother other than John, why didn't also
>> make provisions for his children in his estate, as he did with John's
>> heirs?
>> =3D20
>> It's also possible that Perrin C and/or the John Cooley (m Treadwell)=20
>> were=3D
>=20
>> unacknowledged sons of either Perrin Sr or his son John. In 1840,
>> Perrin=20=
>> C=3D
>=20
>> was likely living with Perrin Jr, and John (m Treadwell) may have
>> been=20=
>> the=3D
>=20
>> boy of about the right age to be living with Perrin Sr.
>> =3D20
>> The possibilities boggle the mind. But the DNA data is helping to point
>> the way. I'm still hoping for a "magic SNP". :)
>> =3D20
>> Somewhere in my 1991 and 1992 correspondence with Jo White Linn, she
>> said=
>> that Perrin was an important name in Virginia. I've tried following
>> through with the notion a few times but really found nothing.
>> =3D20
>> -Michael
>> =3D20
>> =3D20
>> On Tue, June 17, 2014 1:35 am, lvcooley5 wrote:
>>> Though there have been stranger scenarios, it seems most likely that
>>> Perrin C. is the son of a deceased son of Perrin Sr. The 1800 Stokes
>>> Census lists 2 males under 10, which would have been James (1797)
>>> and, presumably, Perrin C's father (let's call him Joseph?)
>>> =3D20
>>> Are there any unaccounted-for Missouri marriages circa 1820?
>>> =3D20
>>> =3D20
>>> PS Has anyone ever mentioned before that there is an unincorporated
>>> town in Gloucester County, Virginia, called Perrin? It's due east
>>> of=3D=
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>>> Hayes
>>> in the area that also includes the Perrin River. There was a prominent
>>> Perrin family there pre-1700 but so far I haven't found
>>> any gold.
>>> =3D20
>>> Jim
>>> =3D20
>>> =3D20
>>> =3D20
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: Michael Cooley
>>> Sent: Saturday, June 14, 2014 5:48 PM
>>> To: John Cooley Mailing List
>>> Subject: Perrin C Cooley
>>> =3D20
>>> =3D20
>>> The parentage of Perrin C Cooley has been one of the group's enduring
>>> mysteries. The name Perrin, his birth in Missouri, and his
>>> descendants'=20=
>>> Y=3D
>=20
>>> DNA make it certain that he is one of ours.
>>> =3D20
>>> =3D20
>>> We know from Gloria's discovery of the probate record of Perrin Sr's=20
>>> son,=3D
>=20
>>> James, had brothers John (m Martha Bearden) and Perrin. Of course, most
>>> of us assumed that Perrin was Perrin Jr--and that may be true.
>>> =3D20
>>> Then Gloria made another discovery a few months ago--that her autosomes
>>> have a matching segment to Jack Cooley, Perrin C's descendant. The
>>> predicted relationship is 4th to 5th cousins. Here's a page I put
>>> together at that time:
>>> =3D20
>>> http://ancestraldata.com/staging/N70352-autosomes.html
>>> =3D20
>>> =3D20
>>> The first question that needed be settled was whether the match indeed
>>> came down through the Cooleys. That's been largely resolved. Gloria's
>>> mother, a Cooley descendant, has tested. Her results exhibit the same
>>> markers that Gloria has. That greatly increases the likelihood that the
>>> match comes down through a Cooley common ancestor.
>>> =3D20
>>> But the match, as I explain in this paragraph, reveal nothing more
>>> about=
>>> the degree of relationship with Jack. Typically, a child is going to
>>> inherit a smaller portion (if any at all) of the matching segment. (The
>>> genome needs to make room for a host of new ancestral DNA derived from
>>> the second parent.) For example, my dad's autosomes have a reasonably
>>> large match to Jack's uncle. I inherited less than a third of it.=20
>>> However=3D
> ,
>>> Gloria inherited virtually all of her mother's matching segment, which
>>> (I
>>> would think) is typically within the range of common possibilities. The
>>> upshot of that is that the predicted relation between Gloria's
>>> mother=20=
>>> and=3D
>=20
>>> Jack is pretty much the same as that for Gloria and Jack.
>>> =3D20
>>> =3D20
>>> In playing around with the results, I can tweak the parameters of the
>>> online tools I use and search for very small matching segments which,
>>> individually, are quite trivial. However, Gloria has only about one=20
>>> third=3D
>=20
>>> of those matches to Jack then her mother does. I'm my no means an
>>> expert=
>>> in autosomal DNA, but there might be something there that can hep us
>>> fine-tune the relationship prediction.
>>> =3D20
>>> For now, we're still left with the dilemma: who was Perrin C's
>>> father.=20=
>>> If=3D
>=20
>>> we can determine the degree of relationship, we might be able to answer
>>> that question. I've started a project to help us examine the
>>> autosomes=20=
>>> of=3D
>=20
>>> John's descendants. If any of you have tested, please consider joining
>>> by sending me an email.
>>> =3D20
>>> http://johncooley.net/johnsauto/
>>> =3D20
>>> =3D20
>>> I'm still of the opinion that Perrin might have had a fifth as of yet
>>> identified son. The 1800 and 1810 census records suggest at the
>>> possibility. The 1840 census for "Derrin" Cooley of Randolph County, MO
>>> has two men 20-29. One would have been Perrin Jr. Could the other be
>>> Perrin C, who would have been 20 that year? The census entries for=20
>>> Perrin=3D
>=20
>>> Sr includes a boy 10-14. Was he a grandson? If so, could he have been
>>> the son of this missing 5th son of Perrin's? We know that John Cooley
>>> (1827-1900+) m Sarah Ann Treadwell was born in Missouri. Is this him?
>>> If=
>>> so, might he and Perrin C have been brothers? I'm on the hunt for a Y
>>> descendant of John's.
>>> =3D20
>>> http://ancestraldata.com/ahnentafel/256/1840-MO.html
>>> =3D20
>>> =3D20
>>> BTW, we've found a tester in the Cooley/Hardin line.
>>> =3D20
>>> =3D20
>>> -Michael
>>> =3D20
>>> =3D20
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>> =3D20
>> =3D20
>> --=3D20
>> VP, the Cooley Family Association of America
>> Administrator, the Akins DNA Project
>> Administrator, the Ashenhurst DNA Project
>> Administrator, the Bishop DNA Project
>> Administrator, the Eldridge DNA Project
>> Administrator, the Fisk DNA Project
>> Administrator, the alt-McDowell DNA Project
>> Co-Administrator, the Cooley DNA Project
>> Co-Administrator, the McDougall DNA Project
>> Co-Administrator, the Pickens DNA Project
>> Co-Administrator, the Strother DNA Project
>> Instructor, the Osher Lifelong Learning Institute (OLLI)
>> B.A. Humboldt State University, History
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