Re: ! from Michael Cooley on 2014-12-21 (John Cooley Mailing List)

From: Michael Cooley <michael_at_newsummer.com>
Date: Sun, 21 Dec 2014 12:14:28 -0800

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On Sat, December 20, 2014 22:53, Mary Lou Cooley wrote:
> Sorry, Michael --- I sent the census image to you but listed it as in
> S.C. -- it was N.C.
>
>
> Sorry,
> Mary C.
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Mary Lou Cooley
> Sent: Saturday, December 20, 2014 10:33 PM
> To: John Cooley Mailing List
> Subject: Re: !
>
>
> I see from this that I did not list this family on the 1860 census. The
> last name is VERY difficult to decipher and is written only once...but
> this is what I have:
>
> 1860 United States Federal Census
> Name: T F Cool?e
> [T.J. Colie]
> [T.J. Colia]
> Age in 1860: 53
> Birth Year: abt 1807
> Birthplace: South Carolina
> Home in 1860: Broad River, Rutherford, North Carolina
> Gender: Male
> Post Office: Island Ford
> Value of real estate: (blank)
> Value of personal estate: $570
> Household Members: Name Age
> T J Coole 53
> Elisabeth Coole 50
> Margaret Coole 24
> John Coole 21
> Adaline Coole 20
> Edmond Coole 17
> Jubilee Coole 13
> Robert Coole 11
> Tressy Coole 9
> Joseph Coole 7
>
>
> Mary C.
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Michael Cooley
> Sent: Saturday, December 20, 2014 2:04 PM
> To: John Cooley Mailing List
> Subject: Re: !
>
>
> David, I just found this from Mary Cooley:
>
>
> http://ancestraldata.com/Notes/index.cgi?1337489595+/ahnentafel/256/linea
> ges/edmond-desc.html
>
> -Michael
>
>
> On Sat, December 20, 2014 08:33, David Cooley wrote:
>
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>> =C2=A0My grandfather had also told me that we were considered as <Black
>> Iri=
>> sh> and that at some pt. we had changed our name. I later found out in
>> rese= arch that Thomas Jefferson Cooley son of Edmond during one or 2
>> of the cens= uses had put his family name as Wooley instead of Cooley. I
>> believe that is= what he might of been talking about.Here close to
>> where I live are many of= the graves of Thomas Jeffersons Cooleys
>> children and grandchildren. Someti= me between 1870 and 1880 at least 4
>> and maybe more of the Cooleys from Spar= tenburg moved to LAMAR county
>> Texas. U can find
>> em in the census there. Tho= mas had died before then but his wife and
>> children are there.They lived the= re for a time then after Elizebeth
>> died they moved to Rotan, Texas. I have = been to the cemetaries there
>> and seen the tombstones of many Cooleys there.= The rest moved to Jones
>> County
>> Texas and that is where the rest including =
>> my grandfather Edward Jefferson Cooley=C2=A0are buried.=C2=A0 Kinda
>> interes= ting wonder how he got his name Edward Jefferson. Looks like
>> he was named a= fter his great grandfather.His older brother was named
>> Robert
>> (His grandfat=
>> hers name). I have much information on this line of Cooleys. If ya cant
>> see= my tree on Ancestor .com let me know and I try to put all I have
>> in a E-Ma=
>> il. =20
>>
>> On Saturday, December 20, 2014 1:15 AM, Michael Cooley <michael_at_newsum=
>> mer.com> wrote: =20
>>
>>
>> Ugh. I'm not sure how that bang came into the subject line. It was
>> meant to be at the end of the email. (I'm a sloppy typer. Anything can
>> happen. I spend half the time on my emails looking for such nugget of
>> idiocy.
>>
>> -Michael
>>
>>
>>
>> On Sat, December 20, 2014 00:12, Michael Cooley wrote:
>>
>>
>>> I'm sure that everyone by now understands that our Cooley Y-DNA is
>>> Norse-Scottish. Some of you will remember the legend passed down
>>> through =
>>>
>>>
>> a
>>> =C2=A0 line from John's son Edward that our Cooleys were Jacobites
>>> and tha=
>> t the
>>> =C2=A0 older males were executed and the children transported to the
>>> colon=
>> ies.
>>> Apparently, a piece of tartan was passed down through the line but
>>> was buried with its last inheritor in the 1970s.
>>>
>>> My great-aunt had written that there were three brothers who came to
>>> the colonies from England. She thought it was Edward and two brothers
>>> but we know that's not possible. She had no knowledge of John.
>>>
>>> Both families, above, lived near one another in Missouri. The stories
>>> may =C2=A0 have come from the same source.
>>>
>>>
>>> Some of you will also remember my research on Reuben Ransom Cooley
>>> who lived in the same county in Indiana as my John. We now know from
>>> DNA
>>> that Reuben was of the Benjamin clan. But a letter in 1946 stated that
>>> 8
>>> brothers and 3 sisters immigrated to NC from Birmingham, England and
>>> that one died in New Orleans during the War of 1812.
>>>
>>> Eight boys and 3 girls sounds very much like John's family, and we
>>> know that John's son Cornelius died of illness in N.O. just following
>>> the end =
>> of
>>> the war. Certainly, no descendants of Benjamin's could be described
>>> that way. I believe that the two Cooley families, who by 1946 had
>>> lived near one another for more than a hundred years, had come to
>>> believe they were related and that our story was inherited by the
>>> descendants of Reuben.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> A descendant of John II wrote in a Missouri county history that John
>>> immigrated from England.
>>>
>>> Now we have another story.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> I recently heard from a descendant of Edmond Cooley. We know that a
>>> descendant of his has exact matching DNA which leads us to believe
>>> that h=
>> e
>>> =C2=A0 was another son. (I still maintain that Edmond *could* have
>>> been Ri=
>>>
>>>
>> ce.)
>>> This man, who lives in Texas, provided this:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> --quote--
>>> My grandfather told me it was passed down to him that we were forced
>>> to leave Ireland as criminals. We settled in Carolinas. --endquote--
>>>
>>>
>>> These stories considered along with the fact that at least two John
>>> Cooleys were transported at the pleasure of the king gives a very
>>> strong hint of criminality to our heritage. Perhaps indentureship.
>>>
>>> Somewhere, there's a shared kernel of truth to all of these stories.
>>> We
>>> need to keep finding descendants. Someone out there might indeed
>>> possess the key!
>>>
>>> -Michael
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
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>>>
>>>
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>> id=3D"yui_3_16_0_1_1419031606483_34961">&nbs= p;My grandfather had also
>> told me that we were considered as <Black Iris= h> and that at
>> some pt. we had changed our name. I later found out in re= search that
>> Thomas
>> Jefferson Cooley son of Edmond during one or 2 of the ce=
>> nsuses had put his family name as Wooley instead of Cooley. I believe
>> that =
>> is what he might of been talking about.Here close to where I live are
>> many =
>> of the graves of Thomas Jeffersons Cooleys children and grandchildren.
>> Some=
>> time between 1870 and 1880 at least 4 and maybe more of the Cooleys from
>> Sp=
>> artenburg moved to LAMAR county Texas. U can find em in the census
>> there. T=
>> homas had died before then but his wife and children are there.They
>> lived t= here for a time then after Elizebeth died they moved to Rotan,
>> Texas. I
>> hav= e been to the cemetaries there and seen the tombstones of many
>> Cooleys ther=
>> e. The rest moved to Jones County Texas and that is where the rest
>> includin= g my grandfather Edward Jefferson Cooley are
>> buried.  Kinda inter=
>> esting wonder how he got his name Edward Jefferson. Looks like he was
>> named= after his great grandfather.His older brother was named Robert
>> (His
>> grandf= athers name). I have much information on this line of Cooleys.
>> If
>> ya cant s= ee my tree on Ancestor .com let me know and I try to put all
>> I
>> have in a E-= Mail. </div> <div
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>> <f=
>> ont size=3D"2" face=3D"Arial"> On Saturday, December 20, 2014 1:15 AM,
>> Mich=
>> ael Cooley <michael_at_newsummer.com> wrote: </div>
>> <br=
>>
>>
>>> <div class=3D"y_msg_container">Ugh. I'm not sure how that bang came
>>> into =
>> the subject line. It was meant to be at the end of the email. (I'm a
>> slo= ppy typer. Anything can happen. I spend half the time on my
>> emails looki= ng for such nugget of idiocy. -Michael On
>> Sat,
>> December 20, 2=
>> 014 00:12, Michael Cooley wrote: > I'm sure that everyone by now
>> unde= rstands that our Cooley Y-DNA is > Norse-Scottish. Some of
>> you will r= emember the legend passed down through a >  line
>> from John's son=
>> Edward that our Cooleys were Jacobites and that the >  older
>> ma= les were executed and the children transported to the
>> colonies. > App= arently, a piece of tartan was passed down
>> through the line but was >= buried with its last inheritor in the
>> 1970s. > > My great-aunt=
>> had written that there were three brothers who came to the >
>> colonie= s from England. She thought it was Edward and two brothers but
>> we > k= now that's not possible. She had no knowledge of
>> John. > > Both=
>> families, above, lived near one another in Missouri. The stories
>> may &g= t;  have come from the same source. > >
>> Some
>> of you will a= lso remember my research on Reuben Ransom Cooley
>> who > lived in the s= ame county in Indiana as my John. We now
>> know from DNA that > Reuben = was of the Benjamin clan. But a
>> letter in 1946 stated that 8 > brothe=
>> rs and 3 sisters immigrated to NC from Birmingham, England and
>> that >= one died in New Orleans during the War of
>> 1812. > > Eight boys=
>> and 3 girls sounds very much like John's family, and we know >
>> that =
>> John's son Cornelius died of illness in N.O. just following the end
>> of &= gt; the war. Certainly, no descendants of Benjamin's could be
>> described tha= t > way. I believe that the two Cooley families,
>> who by 1946 had live= d near > one another for more than a hundred
>> years, had come to belie= ve they were > related and that our
>> story was inherited by the descen= dants of
>> Reuben. > > > A
>> descendant of John II wrote in a= Missouri county history that
>> John > immigrated from England. >=
>> > Now we have another story. > > > I recently
>> hear= d from a descendant of Edmond Cooley. We know that a >
>> descendant of = his has exact matching DNA which leads us to believe
>> that he >  = was another son. (I still maintain that Edmond
>> *could*
>> have been Rice.) = > This man, who lives in Texas, provided
>> this: > > > -=
>> -quote-- > My grandfather told me it was passed down to him that
>> we w= ere forced to > leave Ireland as criminals. We settled in
>> Carolinas. =
>> --endquote-- > > > These stories considered along with
>> th= e fact that at least two John > Cooleys were transported at
>> the pleas= ure of the king gives a very strong > hint of
>> criminality to our heri= tage. Perhaps indentureship. > >
>> Somewhere, there's
>> a shared ke= rnel of truth to all of these stories. We > need to
>> keep finding desc= endants. Someone out there might indeed
>> possess > the key! ><br=
>>> > -Michael > > > -- > <a href=3D"<a
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