Re: What does the "Matthews" in William Matthews Cooley mean?

From: Mary Lou Cooley <mlcooley_at_q.com>
Date: Fri, 23 Sep 2011 22:58:02 -0700

I agree with your assessments!
Mary

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  From: Michael Cooley
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  Subject: Re: What does the "Matthews" in William Matthews Cooley mean?


  Thanks, Mary! I have seen some of this and have a bit of the info buried
  in my web pages.

  The first point of suspicion is this: How could someone born in 1757 be 21
  years old in 1769? It's interesting, though, that she knew about Perrin.
  Of course, we know that he went to MO with his brothers in 1811--not in
  1817.

  I'm sure Hamil was a very sweet woman--and I'm sorry to be so critical of
  her work--but I'm convinced that she was off her rocker. I've recently
  learned that she was a published poet. Perhaps that was the problem:
  applying poetry to genealogy!

  Nevertheless, I'd love it if someone found her correspondence. The letters
  she received would probably be more revealing than her own work. Of
  course, you know Dennis's archive of Mildred Tallant's correspondence. In
  my estimation, she was ten times the genealogist that Hamil was and was
  far closer to the truth of the matter.

  (For those of you who haven't seen Dennis's scans:
  http://www.eskimo.com/~day/cooley/docs/index.htm -- I've just recently
  read the letters from Arthur M. Kiergan, which were very revealing.)

  Thanks again for this Mary. I've seen only part of it before.

  Does anyone know what the source of Hamil's Dutch Cooleys was? I've read
  baptismal and marriage records for the Dutch Reformed Church, little of
  which corresponds with Hamil's info. But I have seen reference to an 1880s
  genealogy for Dutch Cools. I have no details though about it. "The Barent
  Jacobsen Cool Family" by Richard H Benson (2001) is very thorough and
  rather scholarly, but nary a Cooley is present.

  -Michael

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> Lura Coolley Hamil in "A Story of Pioneering", page 81-82 wrote =
> concerning William Cooley:
>
> "Eighth Generation. Number 11211131. Son of Josias and Maria (Kimbel) =
> Cool.
>
> WILLIAM COOLEY--Bapt. June 6, 1757. d. 1818 in Kentucky. m. in N.C. =
> Sarah Perry, daughter or sister of John Perry, Jr.
> Issue
> This Record has not been located. Probably included a son named Perrine =
> (Parin) who went into Howard Co., Mo. in 1817.
>
> WILLIAM COOLEY--m. 2nd. Deborah _____ who survived him. Death in =
> Jassamine Co., Ky. At the age of twent or twenty-one William Cooley =
> went with the Boones into the settlements on the upper Yadkin. He was =
> one of a party of five who went with Daniel Boone into Kentucky on an =
> exploring and hunting trip in 1769. The others were John Findlay, John =
> Stewart, Joseph Holden, James Mooney and Boone himself. The account of =
> the trip is in the Wilderness Trail, by Hanna, Vol. 2, page 215.
>
> Eighth Generation. Number 11211133. Son of 2nd marriage of Josias to =
> Margaret Mullen.
>
> SIMEON WESTBROOK COOLEY--Bapt. June 9, 1765. m. Gertje (Charity) van =
> Auken.
> Issue
> 112111331 Jacobus van Auken Cooley--Born Sept. 10, 1800. Bapt. Oct. 4, =
> 1800
> 112111332 David Finch Cooley--Bapt. Nov. 6, 1810.
> 112111333 Katy van Auken Cooley--Bapt. March 21, 1813."
>
> This on page 80:
> "William Cooley, son of Josias, and Peter Cooley, son of Wilhelmus, =
> probably left Pennsylvania for Virginia together about 1768 as they =
> married sisters; William marrying Sarah Perry, July 5, 1769 (John Perry, =
> Jr., giving consent) and Peter marrying _____Perry in Virginia and =
> remaining in the state. He was enrolled in the Virginia troops in the =
> War of the Revolution. William was put in charge of the S.C. troops =
> returning from Valley Forge in 1778 and James Cooley, son of Joseph and =
> Margaret Miller of Pennsylvania, returned with him and made his home =
> thereafter in S.C. for a time. In 1833-40 he lived in Kentucky and was =
> on the Pensioned list of that state." =20
>
> Mary Cooley
> ----- Original Message -----=20
> From: Michael Cooley=20
> To: John Cooley Mailing List=20
> Sent: Friday, September 23, 2011 11:20
> Subject: Re: What does the "Matthews" in William Matthews Cooley mean?
>
>
> As far as I know, no one has ever claimed descent from Boone's =
> William,
> although I don't know what Hamil had to say about it.
>
> I think that a test from an Abraham descendant (and there are plenty =
> of
> them out there) will tell us a lot about whether John was here by =
> himself
> or not.
>
> -Michael
>
> > I have always thought that he added the middle name because of the =
> William
> > Cooley who went with Boone into KY. Have no idea if the William =
> Cooley
> > and the William M. Cooley are related, but wouldn't be surprise to =
> find
> > that they were. Maybe some day.
> > Sandy
> >
> > --- On Thu, 9/22/11, Michael Cooley <michael_at_newsummer.com> wrote:
> >
> >
> > From: Michael Cooley <michael_at_newsummer.com>
> > Subject: What does the "Matthews" in William Matthews Cooley mean?
> > To: "John Cooley Mailing List" =
> <undisclosed.recipients_at_johncooley.net>
> > Date: Thursday, September 22, 2011, 10:55 PM
> >
> >
> > William had a grandson named William Mathis Cooley. Descendants are =
> found
> > in James's line (William's possible brother) as Mathias. These three
> > names, Matthews, Mathias and Mathis are the same name. (Changes like =
> this
> > in spelling and pronunciation are not uncommon.)
> >
> > Those of us trying to figure out who John was married to have =
> considered
> > the names of sons Rice Cooley and Perrin Cooley as possible clues. =
> But no
> > avail. So here's a bug in your ear: There was a Matthews family in =
> Surry
> > county in the late 19th century and at least one Matthews family in
> > Caroline county VA, where John Cooley served with his life long
> > "associate" Richard Goode in 1755 (Capt Spotswood's company).
> >
> > That's all that I have! I've found very little on these families, =
> but it
> > is certainly something worth exploring. Has anyone gone down this =
> path?
> >
> > BTW, it's interesting that William used the middle name Matthews in =
> NC,
> > dropped it entirely in KY and then used only M in TN. In those days, =
> when
> > middle names were uncommon, people would sometimes adopt them, =
> usually
> > just a middle initial, to distinguish themselves from others of the =
> same
> > name. We know that there was another William Cooley in the Yadkin =
> Valley
> > (Boone's companion), so William may have need to not be confused =
> with this
> > man. He could have come up with Matthews for any number of reasons. =
> A more
> > modern example of this is Harry Truman who was born without a middle =
> name.
> > He simply adopted the es (a good 2-letter Scrabble word, by the =
> way).
> >
> > -Michael
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> <DIV><FONT face=3D"Lucida Sans">If I am following you?:</FONT></DIV>
> <DIV><FONT face=3D"Lucida Sans"></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
> <DIV><FONT face=3D"Lucida Sans">Lura Coolley Hamil in "A Story of =
> Pioneering",=20
> page 81-82 wrote concerning William Cooley:</FONT></DIV>
> <DIV><FONT face=3D"Lucida Sans"></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
> <DIV><FONT face=3D"Lucida Sans">"Eighth Generation.&nbsp; Number =
> 11211131.&nbsp;=20
> Son of Josias and Maria (Kimbel) Cool.</FONT></DIV>
> <DIV><FONT face=3D"Lucida Sans"></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
> <DIV><FONT face=3D"Lucida Sans">WILLIAM COOLEY--Bapt. June 6, =
> 1757.&nbsp; d. 1818=20
> in Kentucky.&nbsp; m. in N.C. Sarah Perry, daughter or sister of John =
> Perry,=20
> Jr.</FONT></DIV>
> <DIV><FONT face=3D"Lucida Sans">Issue</FONT></DIV>
> <DIV><FONT face=3D"Lucida Sans">This Record has not been located.&nbsp; =
> Probably=20
> included a son named Perrine (Parin) who went into Howard Co., Mo. in=20
> 1817.</FONT></DIV>
> <DIV><FONT face=3D"Lucida Sans"></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
> <DIV><FONT face=3D"Lucida Sans">WILLIAM COOLEY--m. 2nd. Deborah _____ =
> who survived=20
> him.&nbsp; Death in Jassamine Co., Ky.&nbsp; At the age of twent or =
> twenty-one=20
> William Cooley went with the Boones into the settlements on the upper=20
> Yadkin.&nbsp; He was one of a party of five who went with Daniel Boone =
> into=20
> Kentucky on an exploring and hunting trip in 1769.&nbsp; The others were =
> John=20
> Findlay, John Stewart, Joseph Holden, James Mooney and Boone =
> himself.&nbsp; The=20
> account of the trip is in the Wilderness Trail, by Hanna, Vol. 2, page=20
> 215.</FONT></DIV>
> <DIV><FONT face=3D"Lucida Sans"></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
> <DIV><FONT face=3D"Lucida Sans">Eighth Generation.&nbsp; Number =
> 11211133.&nbsp;=20
> Son of 2nd marriage of Josias to Margaret Mullen.</FONT></DIV>
> <DIV><FONT face=3D"Lucida Sans"></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
> <DIV><FONT face=3D"Lucida Sans">SIMEON WESTBROOK COOLEY--Bapt. June 9, =
> 1765.&nbsp;=20
> m. Gertje (Charity) van Auken.</FONT></DIV>
> <DIV><FONT face=3D"Lucida Sans">Issue</FONT></DIV>
> <DIV><FONT face=3D"Lucida Sans">112111331&nbsp; Jacobus van Auken =
> Cooley--Born=20
> Sept. 10, 1800.&nbsp; Bapt. Oct. 4, 1800</FONT></DIV>
> <DIV><FONT face=3D"Lucida Sans">112111332&nbsp; David Finch =
> Cooley--Bapt. Nov. 6,=20
> 1810.</FONT></DIV>
> <DIV><FONT face=3D"Lucida Sans">112111333&nbsp; Katy van Auken =
> Cooley--Bapt. March=20
> 21, 1813."</FONT></DIV>
> <DIV><FONT face=3D"Lucida Sans"></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
> <DIV><FONT face=3D"Lucida Sans">This on page 80:</FONT></DIV>
> <DIV><FONT face=3D"Lucida Sans">"William Cooley, son of Josias, and =
> Peter Cooley,=20
> son of Wilhelmus, probably left Pennsylvania for Virginia together about =
> 1768 as=20
> they married sisters; William marrying Sarah Perry, July 5, 1769 (John =
> Perry,=20
> Jr., giving consent) and Peter marrying _____Perry in Virginia and =
> remaining in=20
> the state.&nbsp; He was enrolled in the Virginia troops in the War of =
> the=20
> Revolution.&nbsp; William was put in charge of the S.C. troops returning =
> from=20
> Valley Forge in 1778 and James Cooley, son of Joseph and Margaret Miller =
> of=20
> Pennsylvania, returned with him and made his home thereafter in S.C. for =
> a=20
> time.&nbsp; In 1833-40 he lived in Kentucky and was on the Pensioned =
> list of=20
> that state."&nbsp; </FONT></DIV>
> <DIV><FONT face=3D"Lucida Sans"></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
> <DIV><FONT face=3D"Lucida Sans">Mary Cooley</FONT><FONT=20
> face=3D"Lucida Sans"></FONT></DIV>
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> <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message ----- </DIV>
> <DIV=20
> style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial; BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; font-color: =
> black"><B>From:</B>=20
> <A title=3Dmichael_at_newsummer.com =
> href=3D"mailto:michael_at_newsummer.com">Michael=20
> Cooley</A> </DIV>
> <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A=20
> title=3Dundisclosed.recipients_at_johncooley.net=20
> href=3D"mailto:undisclosed.recipients_at_johncooley.net">John Cooley =
> Mailing=20
> List</A> </DIV>
> <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Friday, September 23, =
> 2011=20
> 11:20</DIV>
> <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: What does the =
> "Matthews" in=20
> William Matthews Cooley mean?</DIV>
> <DIV><BR></DIV>As far as I know, no one has ever claimed descent from =
> Boone's=20
> William,<BR>although I don't know what Hamil had to say about =
> it.<BR><BR>I=20
> think that a test from an Abraham descendant (and there are plenty =
> of<BR>them=20
> out there) will tell us a lot about whether John was here by =
> himself<BR>or=20
> not.<BR><BR>-Michael<BR><BR>&gt; I have always thought that he added =
> the=20
> middle name because of the William<BR>&gt; Cooley who went with Boone =
> into KY.=20
> Have no idea if the William Cooley<BR>&gt; and the William M. Cooley =
> are=20
> related, but wouldn't be surprise to find<BR>&gt; that they were. =
> Maybe some=20
> day.<BR>&gt; Sandy<BR>&gt;<BR>&gt; --- On Thu, 9/22/11, Michael Cooley =
> &lt;<A=20
> href=3D"mailto:michael_at_newsummer.com">michael_at_newsummer.com</A>&gt;=20
> wrote:<BR>&gt;<BR>&gt;<BR>&gt; From: Michael Cooley &lt;<A=20
> =
> href=3D"mailto:michael_at_newsummer.com">michael_at_newsummer.com</A>&gt;<BR>&g=
> t;=20
> Subject: What does the "Matthews" in William Matthews Cooley =
> mean?<BR>&gt; To:=20
> "John Cooley Mailing List" &lt;<A=20
> =
> href=3D"mailto:undisclosed.recipients_at_johncooley.net">undisclosed.recipie=
> nts_at_johncooley.net</A>&gt;<BR>&gt;=20
> Date: Thursday, September 22, 2011, 10:55 PM<BR>&gt;<BR>&gt;<BR>&gt; =
> William=20
> had a grandson named William Mathis Cooley. Descendants are =
> found<BR>&gt; in=20
> James's line (William's possible brother) as Mathias. These =
> three<BR>&gt;=20
> names, Matthews, Mathias and Mathis are the same name. (Changes like=20
> this<BR>&gt; in spelling and pronunciation are not =
> uncommon.)<BR>&gt;<BR>&gt;=20
> Those of us trying to figure out who John was married to have=20
> considered<BR>&gt; the names of sons Rice Cooley and Perrin Cooley as =
> possible=20
> clues. But no<BR>&gt; avail. So here's a bug in your ear: There was a =
> Matthews=20
> family in Surry<BR>&gt; county in the late 19th century and at least =
> one=20
> Matthews family in<BR>&gt; Caroline county VA, where John Cooley =
> served with=20
> his life long<BR>&gt; "associate" Richard Goode in 1755 (Capt =
> Spotswood's=20
> company).<BR>&gt;<BR>&gt; That's all that I have! I've found very =
> little on=20
> these families, but it<BR>&gt; is certainly something worth exploring. =
> Has=20
> anyone gone down this path?<BR>&gt;<BR>&gt; BTW, it's interesting that =
> William=20
> used the middle name Matthews in NC,<BR>&gt; dropped it entirely in KY =
> and=20
> then used only M in TN. In those days, when<BR>&gt; middle names were=20
> uncommon, people would sometimes adopt them, usually<BR>&gt; just a =
> middle=20
> initial, to distinguish themselves from others of the same<BR>&gt; =
> name. We=20
> know that there was another William Cooley in the Yadkin =
> Valley<BR>&gt;=20
> (Boone's companion), so William may have need to not be confused with=20
> this<BR>&gt; man. He could have come up with Matthews for any number =
> of=20
> reasons. A more<BR>&gt; modern example of this is Harry Truman who was =
> born=20
> without a middle name.<BR>&gt; He simply adopted the es (a good =
> 2-letter=20
> Scrabble word, by the way).<BR>&gt;<BR>&gt; -Michael<BR>&gt;<BR>&gt;=20
> --<BR>&gt; &lt;a href=3D"<A=20
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